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I'm not a mod of any comm and I'm just a regular user. But in light of current GOP events I think we all need to be extra careful not to fedpost. We are going be under an even stronger microscope. What law enforcement (FBI, etc) views as "violent threats" is going to be far different for us than for chuds at a site like StormFront2Trump2028.com.

That's all. I don't mean to start a struggle session. I just thought it needed to be said.

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[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Also be careful if you live in germany-cool france-cool, really any of the nato-cool eu-cool and especially ukkk. At least in the EU, you still have some modicum of safety because you could simply go into another EU country if you're a citizen of any of its member states. ~~Even Germany won't slam you with a decade-plus sentence and you may even have grounds to seek asylum elsewhere with evidence of persecution if push comes to shove.~~ Ireland or Spain if you're fortunate to have enough money to weather hard times, South Africa if you're extremely strapped for cash.

Edit: So Germany is emulating the US and doing Hitlerian stuff yet again, huh? Crossed out the part where it suggested there was some meager sense of safety in trying to escape to freedom, according to the reply by RedSailsFan

By the way, note that while you are 100% free to chant "Glory to Hamas, Glory to Ansar Allah" while also reciting the Sarkha and setting the piSSraeli flag on fire during the routine protest in any major South African city (which will probably be Johannesburg because that's where the plane lands and the ticket is half the price of Cape Town anyway), you aren't getting asylum in South Africa if you get arrested in Berlin for chanting the above example or your Hexbear posts get leaked. On the other hand, if you get detained/arrested for journalism, participation in now-prescribed groups under illegitimate pretences or even doxxed by pro-Zionist organisations as they become increasingly violent/emboldened, then that's a pretty solid case for asylum. Once you see the multitudes of the iridescent flags and a distinctive statue (Oliver Tambo) as a centrepiece with a Keffiyeh tied around its neck, you're home free. Someone like Tony Greenstein and Richard Medhurst would absolutely be guaranteed asylum in South Africa, should they ever choose to. It's also immeasurably safer. Permanent residency after 5 years and officially a South African citizen after another 5. A lot better and faster than 14 years of being falsely incarcerated without due process.

[–] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even Germany won't slam you with a decade-plus sentence and you may even have grounds to seek asylum elsewhere with evidence of persecution if push comes to shove.

they came up with a way to get around this https://hexbear.net/comment/6287311

@yanisvaroufakis

It seems that our rulers, here in the 'liberal' West, have homed in on a new way of turning a person into a non-person. Here is a man, Hüseyin Doğru, a German journalist (of Turkish origins, but not a dual citizen) whom the EU authorities have found a novel, immensely cruel, way of punishing for his coverage of, and views on, Palestine.

The German authorities learned a lesson from my case. Not wishing to be answerable in court for any ban on pro-Palestinian voices (similar to the court case I am dragging them through currently), they found another way: A direct sanction by the EU utilising some hitherto unused directive, one introduced at the beginning of the Ukraine war, that allows Brussels to sanction any citizen of the EU it deems to be working for Russian interests. Clinging to the argument that Hüseyin’s website/podcast used to be shown also on Ruptly (among other platforms), they are using this directive aimed at an ‘anti-Russian asset’ to destroy a journalist who dared oppose the Palestinian genocide.

In practice, this means that Hüseyin’s bank account is frozen; that if you or I were to give him cash to buy groceries or make rent then we would be considered his accomplices and subject to similar sanctions; it also means that if he were a civil servant, he would be fired; if he were a student he would be expelled from his university; if he received a pension it would be suspended; if he received any social benefit it would be frozen. It also, astonishingly, means that he cannot leave Germany! Last, but definitely not least, it means that Hüseyin cannot sue his government for turning him into a non-person but only challenge the European Commission in Brussels – where he is not even allowed to go!

Need I say more? Is it not abundantly clear that we live, today, in a nominally liberal Europe where, in a jiffy, your political and human rights can be rescinded, including your right to challenge your government in a court of law?

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So Hüseyin Doğru is a citizen of Germany, with a passport and/or a EU ID (assuming they haven't been confiscated, but then again...)

What would happen if he still crossed the border, made it to Belgium after hoofing it a few kilometers and proved his EU citizen status? Are Belgian authorities going to turn him over to Germany, nullifying any prospects of challenging the EC directly or seeking asylum elsewhere?

Most inter-EU borders are very open, with border crossings being little more than a cleaner American highway rest stop, occasionally intersecting small towns with the only distinction of a border being a blue EU sign and a bilingual message advising having ID on you (Unless Germany is tightening it's EU borders because of turboracism and orders from Tel Aviv's Gestapo).

As for any other pro-Palestinian journalists within Europe, is it now a valid consideration to start forming a line in front of the nearest South African embassy?

[–] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

What would happen if he still crossed the border, made it to Belgium after hoofing it a few kilometers and proved his EU citizen status? Are Belgian authorities going to turn him over to Germany, nullifying any prospects of challenging the EC directly or seeking asylum elsewhere?

im unsure tbh, it sounds viable but then again the whole thing is barbaric so maybe they would actually just send him back to germany?

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