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That idealist nonsense is not grounded in material reality.
Religion is a post-hoc justification for imperialism. Britain didnt create Israel because of their religion, but because it was an effective way to get a colony and get rid of jews (lord Balfour was wildly antisemitic). American politicians who give Israel billions in weapons and political support dont get millions in campaign funds from Raytheon and co to get elected because of their religion, but because it benefits the military-industrial complex. The structure determines the super-structure; Ideology, culture, religion, etc are all molded to reinforce the relationship with the means of production.
they sold it twice. once to the orthodox and once to the Palestinians. a drunken stumble from the ottoman empire we're still coping with.
and now our idiotic evangelical nutbags are fueling their vision of the end times.
imagine if everyone stopped believing there was a higher power pushing them to this bonkers state
You say that like the entire secular leadership of the West hasn't consistently been breying for oceans of Palestinian blood.
pfft. sorry they're behind the settlers and jihadists every time
Nope. Not even close.
well that settles it then! he said nope, offered no evidence or reasoning, but hell, he said nope folks, we got choice but to concede the argument to this fucking bellend mental skip of a human being
Fuck off mate, you literally just made an assertion based on nothing, don't get fucking huffy that I didn't write a dissertation refuteing it, you entitled sack of shit.
Oh shit, well if you're gonna spout bullshit and follow it with MORE bullshit, that's building an airtight argument. That argument being you're full of shit.
Have a great life.
You were the one spouting bullshit mate, I was just pointing it out
Then the corporations that benefit from supporting israel would find different politicians to support to enacting the same ends.
Do you think that if Martin Luthor was born in China instead of Germany, there would have been no reformation? If Adam Smith was born in Ancient Egypt, they would have created capitalism and iPhones instead of pyramids?
this is the goofiest argument I've run into yet. without a few thousand years of assholes fighting over the same spit of wasteland you wouldn't have any of this idiotic shit.
No, you absolutely would have; the perspectives and beliefs that are elevated in society aren't selected at random but by what reinforces existing power structures. If it didnt benefit Raytheon, apocalyptic cultists would just be more weirdos on the street, not elected congressmen. The crusades were ultimately about seizing on a weakened Ottoman Empire to conquer nearby lands and reinforce the power of the church within Europe. If they didnt have god as a justification, they would have used a different one.
pfft... you totally disregard the impact geography has on history.
what a maroon.
bwahahaha....
pick a delusion already
lmao an idealist calling materialist analysis a delusion.
buck, yer all hat and no cattle. you can bandy whatever silly post-hoc justifications and $5 words you want, you still have yet to make any kind of point.
perhaps that's a theme, you're pointless.
I made my point as simple as possible, not to be condescending, but if historical materialism, the notion that society is determined by the relationship with the means of production, and not "some guy had an idea" is going over your head, thats on you.
Try rereading the posts and we can start over.