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Correct. From the inside is the only way to change them. Actual 3rd party just splits the ticket and gives seats to the opposite party who are always worse than the most centrist D.
It's the same way the MAGA Rs shifted that party from within. The old guard neo-cons fought them as long as they could, and now they know if they bad-mouth them, they get primaried by insane people like MTG and Boebert.
Why is the moral obligation on the progressives to join with the centrists? The progressives should start their own party. Then we can tell the centrists that they can get on board. And if they don't, it's their fault Republicans win. This street goes both ways.
The centrists literally don’t care if they lose.
As long as the rich stay rich - whether R in charge or centrist D, the donors are happy and the money keeps coming.
Ds lose? They win. The Rs lose to a centrist? They win.
A progressive splits the ticket and causes an R to win? They win.
Primary them in their own party? They lose. It’s the only viable option in our current federal election structure.
Threatening the donor class’s comically massive piles of wealth is the only thing that motivates the centrist Ds to act… because that is the only thing that could adversely effect the ultimate goal of centrists.
Splitting the ticket will screw only those whose goals are diametrically opposed to both the Rs and centrist Ds… splitting it will only screw us.
Yup.
We literally witnessed the insane base change the Republican party.
It's 100% possible for liberals to force the Democrat party to change.
That's what the abolitionists thought about the Whigs. They tried for decades in vain to get the Whigs to adopt anti-slavery positions, but the Whigs were far too loyal to business interests and the status quo. In the end it took abolitionists abandoning the Whigs entirely and founding the Republican party.
We've witnessed this before. Sometimes parties become so resistant to change that the only way forward is to walk away. Yes, this takes a willingness to reject myopic thinking - to focus on the long term rather than the short term. But this short term thinking, only looking at one election at a time, is what has got us to this crisis.