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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Upvoted and agreed, not least because I just learned that "all of the sudden," while at present a nonstandard variant of "all of a sudden," has valid history.

And of course it doesn't matter in this casual context!

But in formal writing, in this era, using "a" will avoid distracting the reader from your main point.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"All of the sudden" is only valid because it's so commonly (incorrectly) used. Much as it annoys me, that's just how language works.

[–] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Only if you allow the ignorant to remain uncorrected.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

"of the sudden" (1570) actually predates "of a sudden" (Shakespeare) according to my OED as squinted at through the nifty magnifying glass. But it's been considered obsolete for a long time despite having all of a sudden experienced a resurgence.

(Note, I modernized the spellings of "sudden" rather than try to switch focus back and forth)

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Can't we just embrace adverbification and agree to write "suddenly"?

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Nothing wrong with "suddenly." I probably should have used it in my previous comment. It's just that sometimes you want to say "all of a sudden." Especially at storytime. The extra time helps build the suspense. "Suddenly" is more sudden in that it just jumps in there. With "all of a sudden," the subject isn't ready but the listeners are.

[–] MeThisGuy 8 points 1 week ago

all of the suddenly?

[–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

No! For made up reasons I don’t understand adverbs are verboten!

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

If "all of the sudden" becomes standard I will definitely do this.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

People aren't saying it because they're language scholars, it's because they misheard the proper modern usage. So it goes for many language shifts.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Erin: "All of the sudden, I was awake."

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Non-Anglo here.
Totally not distracted bcs my brain autocorrected it to “all of a sudden” without even noticing.
A bit like "It deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are"
Also never seen/heard the "the" variant. (Well consciously that is).

[–] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Does not have to be Before Christ.