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X.Org Drama (hexbear.net)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net to c/libre@hexbear.net
 

As the sun continues to set on the X11 display protocol, X.Org - the premier implementation - has been forked by a former developer who accuses its maintainers of "abandoning the project, and letting it rot forever."

He's not exactly wrong. X.Org is essentially mothballed. It is an enormous, complicated piece of deprecated infrastructure, with a very limited amount of resources and experienced maintainers. The corporations which sponsor Free Software development don't particularly care about desktop end-users, and the resources which are being spent on desktop experience are largely being spent on Wayland compositors. On the other hand, it appears many of his commits on X.Org were reverted for sloppy management of licensing / attribution, as well as some regressions which were introduced.

It is worth noting that when Wayland was introduced in 2008, X.Org developers were among its biggest advocates and contributors. The writing has been on the wall for a long time now, and the work of building an alternative is mostly complete.

That said, Wayland is not at all a 1 to 1 replacement for X, and like with the introduction of Systemd, there are a lot of people with strong feelings about this, a lot of conspiracy mongers cranking out YouTube slop. People throwing out accusations about how "they" are trying to ruin Linux yet again.

I personally have fond memories of X. Especially in the later days when the whole "unix porn" phenomenon bloomed and there was a sort of renaissance of customization. I miss herbstluftwm terribly. That said, I've been running Wayland for something like 6 years now and I do not really get why people hate it. It works fine, and it actually has a future.

Update:

It's also worth noting the author of this fork is a chud. Some excerpts from the README

This fork was necessary since toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from BigTech, are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project, to eliminate competition of their own products. Classic "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactics.

This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc. It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies.

Together we'll make X great again!

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[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why would systemd possibly be a CIA op?

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The corpos are trying to indoctrinate us to make us forget the UNIX philosophy, which states that every piece of core system functionality must be composed of a variety of invocations of sed and awk held together with string and duct tape.

More seriously, it was an extremely positive change for maintainers, because they no longer had to write customized init scripts to start up and shut down each service, which usually involved a lot of caveats for each distribution, relied on specific, non-trivial shell behavior, and would often run into problems in edge cases (like if a service got started, but crashed / hung after a while). It was embraced very quickly by distributors, who are responsible for maintaining tens of thousands of packages, hundreds of which include services which may need to be be started/stopped by the init system. The quickness of adoption proved it was a conspiracy.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Its also that people just misunderstood what systemd is, systemd-init starts services but that's just one part of systemd which a suite of tools from things like superusur auth with systemd-run run0 replacing sudo or systemd-timers taking the place of cronjobs.

But these crowds never have consistent opinions anyway. Either "Linux" is too fragmented to ever be viable or it's too centralized around corpos which is probably where the intrigue comes from.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

sorry by favorite I mean enjoyable almost-certainly-fictional rabbit hole, like the whole 'Greta is a bougie greenwashing op' conspiracy theory.

not favorite as in it's suspiciously accurate, like 'COVID lab leak but the lab was Ft. Detrick'

as far as specifics go I think any search engine would give you some good results, I don't remember anything off the top of my head