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Thanks to @barneypiccolo@lemm.ee for the following summary and turning me on to the linked excellent summary of the book.

Foundations of Geopolitics was published in 1997 by Aleksandr Dugin. It outlines how Russia can become the world's dominant superpower without warfare. It is taught in Russia's military officers school, Putin keeps a copy in his office, and it is Russia's geopolitical playbook. Dugin is still closely involved with Putin and Russian intelligence, and so was his daughter, who was murdered in a car bombing that was likely meant for him.

Under the section for the United States, it says:

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".

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[–] join@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What little green men do you think man the aircraft carriers, shoot down the missiles, or build the pier that was then used to kill civilians?

The US army is actively involved on every front of this war/genocide. Not to speak of the intelligence that they are probably providing.

And yes if you micro optimize the goal posts long enough there is bound to be a difference between Russian involvement in Ukraine before 2022 and Israel. But that is besides the point, the question is: would the Palestinian genocide be happening without direct US support? And the answer is irrefutably no.

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

American soldiers have not been used in any combat in Gaza, nor have the US carriers. So again, not a valid comparison to Ukraine.

You could draw the parallel with Russian weapons being used by India against Pakistan, but you could hardly argue that Russia was directly fighting a war with Pakistan there.

[–] join@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would the Palestinian genocide be happening without US support?

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not the comparison you made. You made a comparison with a directly invading army.

[–] join@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That is the detail that you got stuck on. The question was: is the US culpable in the Palestinian genocide, or is Israel just a third country?

Watch the news and it should be obvious what the answer is.

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

That is not the case you originally made. Your original case was that the US was performing the same role in Gaza as Russia was performing in Ukraine.

You failed miserably to defend this point. You have subsequently gone back and edited all your arguments to try and change them to be about whether the US is involved at all in Israel in a cheap effort to win the argument.

As usual, cheap propagandist tactics from .ml. I'm done.

[–] join@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

It is, please reread the thread if you’re not convinced.

The edits are small wording changes made within minutes of posting them (before you responded to them).

Great job not sounding like a sore loser. 👌

Edit: the original posts with my point aren’t even edited.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] join@lemmy.ml 0 points 23 hours ago

I thought you were done.