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It's nice you think that, but it is false. Pills are actually tested and you can find the results online. As you can see, nearly all ecstacy pills only contain MDMA, only very few contain caffeine or a miniscule amount of byproduct (like 1mg).
So if you have other data showing xtc contains other stuff, please post it.
I've had pills tested since I started partying, which was exactly 20 years ago. I've seen maaaany test results. For work I've been inside discovered and raided pill factories and I've seen the chemicals they used there. I don't know what you Belgians put in your pills, but our Dutch pills are MDMA or MDA, depending on the resources available. And since xtc is probably our biggest export, I assume it won't be much different world wide (although export pills usually contain far lower quantities of MDMA, our pills here are much stronger)
Adulterants in MDMA
Individuals who use MDMA risk ingesting unknown substances, which are often found in illicitly purchased ecstasy pills, capsules, tablets, and powders. They may think they’re purchasing ecstasy when they are, in fact, buying other substances instead of or in addition to MDMA.10,11 These substances can vary widely, and may include:
I started partying 20 years before you when you could take pills and cops just let you drive on after doing the alcohol test. 😂 They didn't know shit for years.
Also years before MDMA was commonly sold to end users.
I never tested pills, I got them from reliable sources.
But from experience with other substances you know and recognise their presence occasionally, some trippy, some speedy.
And confirmed by others using the same.
No test needed.
I'm very surprised you don't have any results showing that.
Nobody will ruin their name or product by putting large amounts of totally different substances in it with unforseen and dangerous consequences but besides color, shape and logo, a touch of something speedy or hallucinogenic as unique selling point sounds like something to expect.
There is not only plain chocolate, but chocolate with nuts, fruits, caramel, etc...
You copied a binch of text. Source?
I know stuff is being sold as XTC, which turns out not to be XTC. That's still not XTC. That is called a scam.
When they add stuff to it, like 2CB for example, they don't sell it as XTC but under a different name. If a dealer sells it under the XTC name, he's mislabeling his own product and making a loss as these combo pills usually are more expensive.
I was a late bloomer, I started partying when I was 18 and now I'm 38. I also have experience with cops just checking alcohol and nothing else, I just never drove while being on drugs. Because that is fucking stupid, I've had friends die that way. But since you started 20 years before me, you're in you're 50's nearing 60's if I'm counting right, correct?
Right. So your source had them tested and told you the results?
There is a wide variety of trip substances so how do you know which one is in it? Did you know MDA also has a tripping effect? Bar tables, crowd control fences and everyone wearing glasses happen only with XTC, not any other trip drug. The pills which have these effects, I don't know if you remember but like the orange Q base pills years ago, often have very high MDA quantities. Back in the days they sometimes added some amphetamine but they also added glass fibers so it would work faster by damaging your esophagus. But the speedy effect mostly came from how the process was done with forming the MDMA or MDA with the pill powder substance, which is what is also used in medicine to form pills.
I know exactly what you mean when it comes to experience. This one is more trippy, that one is more energetic. I've had a wide scala of substances over the years, the good old classics and many new designer ones. You say you didn't need the data. I did see the data and saw experts explain why things are the way they are. I find data and experts more reliable than my own experience because there can be so much more to it I don't know.
And please, especially in these days with the rise of designer drugs and trends from the Americas being pushed over here (like meth, oxycodon and fentanyl), have your stuff tested. Or make sure your trusted sourse had it tested, and doesn't just rely on their source like you are relying on them. Sadly we need to be more careful we will actually get what we want. But the point is, XTC is MDMA (or a variant like MDA) in pill form and shouldn't contain any other substance. If it does, it's dangerous as people don't know what they are taking.
So far the main issue is that the quality is going down due to harder to get resources. I could see this to turn into a future where they add other stuff into it, which I hope they don't, but so far this mixing thing has mostly happened under different names (like tucybe in South America).
"When they add stuff to it, like 2CB for example, they don’t sell it as XTC but under a different name. If a dealer sells it under the XTC name, he’s mislabeling his own product"
When it's 95% MDMA and 5% speed, Ket or whatever it's still XTC.
Like hazelnut chocolate is still chocolate.
"was a late bloomer, I started partying when I was 18 and now I’m 38. I also have experience with cops just checking alcohol and nothing else, I just never drove while being on drugs. Because that is fucking stupid, I’ve had friends die that way"
I said that as a period reference, I hope you're not asuming I did that personally.
"Right. So your source had them tested and told you the results?"
No, the testing was done by human guinea pigs.
After which I trusted it, never had any problems and knew no one else with bad pills either.
Probably not that common.
And wasn't a heavy pill popper anyway so limited risk exposure.
"they also added glass fibers so it would work faster by damaging your esophagus."
That sounds horrible, was this verified?
Media reported the most ridiculous reports and lies which had an adverse effect if you know they're lying.
OC you hear stories about rat poison and also glass but always figured it was one of those scaremongering tactics.
"And please, especially in these days with the rise of designer drugs and trends from the Americas being pushed over here (like meth, oxycodon and fentanyl), have your stuff tested."
My drug days are pretty much over.
Maybe 2g of Coke per year and a few XTC or 2CB(favorite).
Every few years some LSD or mushroom nature experience.
I will definitely not touch any of theones you mention.
Or do you think they will also contaminate the common recreational drugs with it?
Haven't heard of the resource shortage.
Figured most was pretty easy to come by and just an elaborate process to produce. Still dirt cheap.
Yet it is sold as hazelnut chocolate and not pure.
Sigh....
Yes, there were warnings in the national news.
Yes, quality of common drugs is going both down and up. Coke is going up, like the quality in the 70's. The stuff I get is usually 86% which is insane. 10 years ago 60% was unusually high, now it's street junk. But the stuff which is made in euro and Chinese labs, like MDMA, pill form or christals, christals meth (yes, sadly now also produced over here) and designer drugs like 2fmp, 4fa, etc are made in labs relying on resources. Due to regulations it can be harder to get the proper ones, so they find alternatives, many times stuff you rather not see in your party dope.
It's an issue for a while. For about 20 years the quality of XTC has been going down. Nothing can compare to the old blue Mitsubishi's. To compensate, the percentage of MDMA has been going up. The blue Mitsubishi was about 120mg, the pills of 10 years ago were between 200 and 220 mg, these days they are mostly around 160mg. (the products for NL / BE, it's already lower mostly in Germany, and even worse when you go further than that)
Also with GHB it has been an issue. The best quality of GBL, one of the 3 components, was from Germany (it's paint thinner). But because of the GHB production it became harder to buy, so people had to order from the US which was worse quality. But now that's nearly impossible to get, so people order from China which is even worse. And when 1 of the 3 components is paint thinner (the other 2 are sink unblocker and de stilled water) you really, really don't want the worst quality.
But the quality of ketamine has been going up finally, after several years of horrible vanilla junk and average weird looking powder. Now it's pure needles for dirt cheap <3