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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Hi, I'm a naturalistic determinist atheist. I won't be taking a teleporter. The problem is that my body (which my continuous conscious experience resides in) will get erased if I do.

Replace "dismantled by the teleporter" with "shot in the head," and it might make it a bit more obvious why it matters that the original you dies. I wouldn't want to be shot in the head, even if I knew there was a perfect facsimile of me being constructed the moment the bullet entered my brain. The fact that this me would die makes intuitive sense to me.

[–] ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, I am very aware of it being like death. My point is that we were never alive at all. We have no consciousness because of determinism, we follow a path that cannot be changed. That's why teleportation is not a problem from a deterministic atheist standpoint.

However I do fully acknowledge that I can not live like that. I live as if I have free will, because that is the easiest and most comfortable way to live. Beside nature / nurture arguments of course, I don't dismiss those.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

My point is that we were never alive at all. We have no consciousness because of determinism, we follow a path that cannot be changed.

This doesn't follow. Consciousness does not necessitate free will. Just because it's an emergent property of a complex set of deterministic chemical reactions in our brains doesn't mean it somehow isn't real.