this post was submitted on 09 Aug 2023
523 points (92.8% liked)
World News
35797 readers
495 users here now
News from around the world!
Rules:
-
Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc
-
No NSFW content
-
No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Keep pretending China is socialist.
Keep pretending it isn't, lib.
You're the only liberal here for kissing a capitalist nation's ass.
Hey, coward, explain how you can simultaneously believe that the Donbas is independent and that when Russian troops entered their territory at their request that constituted an invasion.
Explain or admit that you don't consistently believe in self determination.
When did I say I'm against Russian troops entering Donbas territory? I made it very clear I'm against Russian troops entering anywhere BUT Donbas. Love how you guys claim to be anti-war until the millisecond a non-western nation is the one committing war crime atrocities and mass murdering civilians.
How could they possibly invade the Donbas at all when they were invited?
Semantics. I didn't mean "invade," that was just the word that came in my head. You know damn well what I meant.
It came into your head for a reason, liar. I guess going forward, nobody should assume that you mean what you say.
You're just gonna ignore the fact I said and have been saying I supported it huh? Fucking Russia lovers with no understanding of nuance
if person.beliefs != NatoPropaganda:person.status = RussiaLoverErm...
if person.beliefs != RussianPropaganda:person.status = NATOLoverIm actually surprised that you could read the runes, interesting.
However I never said that you loved NATO lmao you just uncritically consume *and parrot their propaganda about Russia being le big evil in this situation.
Would you support America invading and drone striking the Middle East because separatists in a single province were being oppressed by their native government and wanted US help? How is this any different? Would you support Kazakhstan invading all of China for oppressing Uyghurs in Xinjiang who wanted to break away (which I know you love to deny but is very much a reality even if exaggerated by MSM)?
So lemmy get this straight, NATO going across a few oceans and continents to destroy a country of brown people in another white supremacist crusade for resources, as they do, is the same as...
A country filled with a certain ethnic group wanting to invade a region on their doorstep because NATO is fortifying it as a strongpoint to destroy it, and a bunch of Nazis are slaughtering civilians of the said same ethnic group within the said region?
So basically exaggerated bullshit reports from MSM and Adrian Zenz of people being put in vocational schools is the same as Azov mass murdering innocent civilians?
Are you suggesting that the majority of Uyghurs support ETIM. Furthermore, ARE you stating that you personally support the self determination of the ETIM movement?
I have no idea and it is obviously a hypothetical if they did.
Yeah that's abundantly clear
If I said that I supported people's rights to sell marijuana and I didn't even think they should get much jail time for it, people would rightly point out that I was lying about my support.
You stated that you supported self determination for people in the Donbas, and I didn't ignore it at all, I'm saying that even within the same post you proved that you actually didn't when you referred to their allies entering their territory as an invasion.
Again, I'm not ignoring anything, I just think you're a liar and that you only started pretending to support the Donbas's self determination because doing otherwise would undermine the point you were trying to make about Taiwan.
Ok keep trying to read between the lines and make presumptions about what I believe... typical dishonest liberal
You're literally mad at me for NOT reading between the lines and assuming you meant something other than what you said, asshole.
I've said I supported Donbas a thousand times genius you people just don't understand nuance.
But you gotta acknowledge that calling Russia's intervention an "invasion" is antithetical to supporting Donbas.
Still hung up on me using the wrong word huh?
Yeah because it betrays your actual beliefs
Cringe.
Uncritically consuming the narrative pushed by western media is hella cringe.
Go back to hexbear.
You keep saying that you support it and then adding caveats that prove that you actually don't.
"I support Tom's claim that he owns this house and would only want brief jail time for Susan's breaking and entering through the unlocked front door when he invited her over to help protect him from his neighbors Steve, who keeps shooting at him. That said, Susan went way too far when she also did a breaking and entering into Steve's yard to attack him while he continued to shoot at Tom while shouting 'That house is rightful Steve property and Tom the cockroach can scurry back to Susan's house.'"
If someone said this, the only logical conclusion is that they actually fully support Steve and are lying about supporting Tom.
bro even wikipedia acknowledges china is socialist lmao
Mmkay.
Socialist Market Economy is a socialist mode of production. :bean:
Right, and the sky is green too.
Adding the word "socialist" in front of "market economy" doesn't make it any less capitalist. I'm done with this.
nuh uh because it means that the CPC has final say over shit with regards to the economy and governance instead of just leaving things up to the market like a true capitalist country
That's called state capitalism wise guy.
State capitalism is when you execute billionaires and enact compulsory planning for key parts of the nation's development such as health and infrastructure.
No but state capitalism is when the majority of billionaires are allowed to exist in the first place dumbass. Tight regulations don't make you socialist. And putting money into health and infrastructure is possible under capitalism LMFAO
Socialism is a transitory stage between capitalism and communism where there is ongoing class warfare between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat my dude. In China, the state is on the side of the proletariat, not the bourgeois.
And yet China is the only major power where the state has a tight grip on both... Interesting!
THEN BAN BILLIONAIRES AND STOP FOLLOWING DENG'S CAPITALISM JFC. Not that hard if they were actually socialist and aiming for communism.
So why haven't you done it yet?
https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
Maybe say something of your own instead of linking a wall text. Does it look like I wanna read 5 pages of CCP propaganda?
Lol 5 pages 😂🫴📖
"Red Sails is a website run by Roderic Day in collaboration with Nia Frome, Sobrina de Alguien, and several other comrades."
That would be going into the realm of conspiracy theories lmao
All of the billionaires allowed to exist under your socialist project, so you're not really in a position to judge.
Cool then let’s have the CPC run the USA, I’m sure you’re okay with that since China is actually capitalist, right? It should totally be the same here if the CPC takes control, right? Right?
The kingdom of your God is not socialist, it is a monarchy.
Keep pretending Catholicism has anything to do with socialism.