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Weight Talk: Fitness, Health and Society

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As I understand it, the current medical consensus is that fat protects muscle, and has health benefits when it is in moderation, but increases risks for bad outcomes when in excess. And muscle weighs more than fat, and aside from heart disease, generally protects against death of all causes. If muscle is generally good, and fat is good in moderation, why do we still popularly conflate skinniness as healthiness?

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The problems with BMI as it exists aren't horrible. There's flaws in how it was originally built, and unusual bodies can make it useless. But as long as the people using it to screen patients are aware of that, it's a usable first step.

The bad problem with it is twofold. First is the practitioners that don't use it properly as a screening tool rather than an indicator of disease/disorder. Second is random assholes out in the world with no training trying to act like they know enough to use it for anything at all.

The second one is whatever, because people gonna people.

The first one though? It's disturbing. When you're sitting there with a high BMI, and you could pick the md/np/pa up one handed, and they start talking about obesity, that's a very, very bad sign for the provider. And it happens. It happens way more than is reasonable because the people that are providing care are either being taught wrong, or aren't paying attention during college.

BMI as a first step screening tool is very valuable. It gives a simple, easy to use metric to assess risks. But it has to be the first step out of many, even for patients that do have a body that's legitimately overweight or obese. When BMI turns into the sole determinant of how a care provider addresses the patient, the whole thing breaks down. When BMI isn't useful for a patient, and the provider still tries to apply care that isn't appropriate because of the BMI, the system itself is flawed more than BMI itself.

Being real, most people aren't going to be so tall or built that BMI is useless. Most aren't even going to hit the sizes where it starts to be less useful. It is a niche issue. And, in all reality, if you're that tall/big and your doctor is ignoring that he or she could stand on your back and you could still crank out pushups like nothing, the BMI isn't the biggest concern. What else are they ignoring that could cause serious issues rather than just pushing harmless but ineffective dietary advice?

Which, you don't even have to be a serious lifter for that kind of issue. There are obese patients that receive bad care because they're obese, and that's where a doctor starts, but refuses to abandon it or otherwise address an issue that's causing a problem. Like, my buddy going in with digestive symptoms, being told to lose weight, and a year later it turns out it was an autoimmune issue.

Yeah, obesity can cause weird stuff with digestion. But having to wait a year for appropriate testing after switching doctors, that's still bullshit. It's a thing, it happens, and it happens a lot more than it should among disabled patients.

Mind you, it isn't only thing doctors get hung up on like that. You come in disabled, and chances are that a provider is going to keep assuming the original disability is the cause of the new symptoms. Which is fine enough until they give up rather than pivoting to alternate possibilities. But that's only relevant in that it illuminates the underlying problem: that not all doctors/nurse practitioners/physician assistants are graduated with the same skill and knowledge. The patient still has to be their own advocate because providers are still human and humans screw up sometimes, even when they're the best in their field

[–] fjpinns@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it’s sort of threefold because both the medical community and the general public both treat being overweight as a discipline issue more than a gut microbiome, hormonal, or genetic issue which is also likely, and people (more the general public, but sometimes the medical professionals) will look at charts and see “this person is overweight, that explains this this and this, they should eat an apple. Okay, bill their insurance”, rather than treating the real health issues as health issues, they use the screening tool to discredit the moral character of the patient and take medical action based on that bias.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Yup, it's a real issue.

I've had members of my disability support group have to switch doctors after gaining weight from the various barriers disability throws in the way. They go in and all of a sudden, the overweight becomes the focus of care, rather than the thing that has been a problem for years. I've had people be told that the weight is the cause of their problems. Which, that's just shitty doctors more than anything else, but still.

But, you go to an actual bariatric medicine practice, and they're treating holistically. Like you said, addressing all the components rather than starting from dietary exclusively. Not all of them, but it's becoming more the norm.

If discipline was the sole cause, none of the medications would work.