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What do you keep living for? Is there a specific person, goal, or idea that you work for? Is there no meaning to life in your opinion?

Context: I've been reading Camus and Sartre, and thinking about how their ideas interact with hard determinism.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Ive been lucky to have discovered Stoicism early in life and that what has been driving me for decades now!

To put it shortly Stoicism focuses on self growth with things like identifying natural human virtues (need for knowledge, justice, temperance, courage) and focusing life around improving those. This is expressed through a princicle called dichotomy of control which says that there are things that are out of our control like death that we shouldn't focus on and things that are like natural virtues that are something we can do to improve upon.

It also deconstructed and included all of the cool contemporary ideas like mindfulness and being cosmopolitan two millenia ago so its a really great suite of natural philosophies that survived the test of time.

Stoicism is also low key Idealist as in your natural perception of your own virtues and state is the only real thing that matters which is what makes this ideology so much more freeing. You don't judge yourself against some mystical ideal but to your own perception of purpose and growth.

It's an easy, frictionless and a highly rewarding way to live :)

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Stoicism can sometimes read like a very early form of cognitive behavioral therapy

[–] possiblyaperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's interesting, I think I've tried engaging with Stoicism before, but it feels to me that it kind of ignores how sometimes the romantic should take control? I can't remember which Stoicist (Epictetus I think?) said that we should be so detached that the death of a child should feel like a glass breaking, but I don't think I would be able to rationalise and internalise that personally. Do you think there's space for strong feelings in Stoicism?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That's a common misunderstanding and Stoicism is not about detachment. The quote you're referring is mostly a thought exercise to illustrate that dwelling on past is unproductive even in extreme circumstances.

Though contemporary Stoicism acknowledges importance of ritual and grief but it still has to be within reasonable context of dichotomy of control as in you can't change the outcome no matter how hard you grief and you're just losing finite minutes of your life but you can spend this time to fairly honor the event and memories.

Temperance is a key virtue here and its heavily inspired by Aristotel's Golden Mean which says that extremes are really inefficient and should be avoided at all times.

As for strong feelings - Stoicism has nothing against them either. Justice is one of the virtues and its really impossible to get to a just conclusion without strong feelings like sympathy. Though, just like Buddhism, Stoics practice mindfulness and have to choose to go to strong feelings not obey. This is again due to dichotomy of control where thoughts and feelings just appear and we can't do anything here to stop that but we can choose how we react once we process them!

Stoicism is a very powerful framework cause it doesn't really tell you what to do exactly just gives you a logical framework based on human nature. It doesn't mean you becoming a robot - quite the opposite - you should become more human not being hijacked by unfair processes.

[–] possiblyaperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

Wow, really interesting, thank you!