DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated…..
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
his tattoos are of dice and Sigmund Freud by the way, notably not of MS-13, a group to what he has no established connection.
I think I read that he does have affiliation, but has never committed any crimes associated with them. Either way, he received no proper procedure, due process or trial before being found guilty as a result of suspicion and prosecuted.
EDIT; meant to say that I had read that they are saying he does have affiliation. Not that he factually does.
can you provide a source for the affiliation?
Here is the best I can find as all sources I can see pretty much say the same on the subject. It’s not concrete, it’s the closest thing I can find that warrants any real possibility.
However, it should be noted that even if it were true- affiliation doesn’t mean jack shit if he never committed any crimes.
thanks for the link, I've read his report.
there is zero documented evidence even of gang affiliation, according to that FBI report.
that is very important to note.
clean record, no documented gang affiliation, wearing a hoodie, one CI allegedly said he has a nickname with no corroborating evidence.
his gang affiliation would mean something if he had a gang affiliation, which he does not.
it's only harmful to bring up an alleged affiliation when one does not exist.
That’s what I’m saying. I’m speaking from the perspective of those accusing. They are working from that info- which is irrelevant as it doesn’t really say anything other than he was accused.
I’ve been able to find nothing that states evidence has been provided.
And it should be pointed out that even if he did have MS-13 connections, he still is deserved due process and a trial- so their argument is further invalidated.
I don't think anybody's arguing about the necesiity of due process here, what with it being the point of the post. not from the comments I read, anyway.
It's irresponsible to say "i think i read that he does have affiliation" when there is no documented evidence.
there's a big difference between a proven gang member and a random person wearing a hoodie, and your statement blurs those lines.
I mis-spoke where I intended to say I read they’re saying he has affiliation. (My ADHD infused brain moves so much faster than I can type)
I totally get where you’re coming from and agree wholeheartedly. I’ll leave the error up and just make an edit, so this discussion makes more sense.
I appreciate it.
there's so much "I think I heard" in official White House press announcements and law enforcement documents that I feel like it's important to be as responsible as possible without our words.
Oh absolutely! I totally get that. Thanks for pointing this out. More people need to be on their toes nowadays, so I appreciate it.
I'm hopping in to say that wikipedia lays out an excellent timeline (that indicates there's no MS-13 connection) and I've been linking people to that whenever they seem to get confused about this potential affiliation.
Just in case that information might help you moving forward.
Even if dude were the captain of MS-13, it doesn't matter.
Dems buying into this phony racist hysteria about MS-13 are a fundamental part of the problem. They're just serving their masters in the prison industry.
"Even if dude were the captain of MS-13, it doesn't matter."
being a captain of an international gang that murders and rapes people would matter.
pretending it doesn't is ridiculous.
"Dems buying into this phony racist hysteria about MS-13"
okay, you are confused.
rump is not a democrat, he is an extremely conservative republican.
MS-13 has been around for over 30 years, and the democrats I have not overreacted, extreme conservatives are the one overreacting.
"They're just serving their masters in the prison industry."
again you've got conservatives and progressives mixed up.
conservatives are obeying corporate masters; they literally hired the corporate masters to run the country.
Hang on. The person above said "Even if dude were the captain of MS-13, it doesn't matter," but the context of that statement was, "because even the captain of MS-13 should be getting due process."
I'm only pointing that out because I think most reasonable people would agree with that. The rest you can complain about, but the idea that everyone should get due process shouldn't be denigrated just because that person then went on to say some tribalist stuff.
I don't think anybody's arguing about the necesiity of due process here, what with it being the point of the post.
not from the comments I read, anyway.
I commented because that guy was tilting you so you started off with this exchange, which did look a little like you were arguing that if he was captain of MS-13, it would make a difference.
I keep getting this weird feeling that disingenuous assholes would be tilting us on purpose to make us more accepting of a world where someone could claim a guy was captian of MS-13, and so they shouldn't get due process. You know, saying something really awful, to get us to concede more than we normally would. Trying to look out.
"if he was captain of MS-13, it would make a difference."
it would, if there is corroborated, documented evidence someone is a captain of a violent gang, rather than someone with no criminal history and a sigmund freud tatoo.
that makes a difference.
"...claim a guy was captian of MS-13..."
this is basically what is happening now from official sources, my related comments in this post discuss this exact issue.
but you don't have to fall on one side or the other.
if someone is a violent offender and gamg member, that should be considered.
if someone is not, as in this case, that should be considered.
and as the post is about, due process should be inviolable.
all three are simultaneously correct.