That said, opinions on openSUSE? It's developed by SUSE employees (good or bad, depending on your perspective), Tunbleweed is arguably the best rolling distro, and the installer is great.

[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I highly doubt any script could make Windows usable for me. There’s just far too much I hate about it.

Windows XP and 7 were almost universally praised. They were consistently usable, productive, performant.

Windows 10 was seen as a successor to 7 but was more of a rolling release that saw a gradual transition to a new user interface for system components that was haphazard and lacklustre at first, but slowly improved over time. You can't really give Windows 10 a specific rating because what Windows 10 was changed over time.

Windows 11 is a case study in what happens when a product is stolen away from a product team and given to a business team with no product team oversight. They started off with a great base, created products they could commodify then bloated the base with those adware / microtransaction filled products.

The good thing is they couldn't change everything with wreckless abandon, lest they lose their enterprise customers, so every piece of bloat they added can be turned off with a switch somewhere for each enterprise's sysadmin to find.

The open source fixes mentioned above (Win11Debloat, tronscript, etc...) just run through every switch and turn them off. As soon as Microsoft's business team adds another "product" to windows 11, the open source community just adds the new switch to the open source fix.

The closest comparison is using the internet without an adblocker vs using the internet with an adblocker.

It's a night and day difference, and makes the internet actually useful again.

That said, opinions on openSUSE? It’s developed by SUSE employees (good or bad, depending on your perspective), Tunbleweed is arguably the best rolling distro, and the installer is great.

Personally I wouldn't recommend openSUSE purely because it's not really intended to be a general purpose OS. It's for a specialised use case and caters for those users in particular.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows XP and 7 were almost universally praised. They were consistently usable, productive, performant.

Windows XP completely sucked until SP2, and then it was only "good" because it sucked less than what came before.

Windows 7 was only "good" because they undid the worst of the changes in Vista, and 8 sucked more. The same is largely true of 10, it's only "good" because it's less bad than 8.

I don't think any was objectively "good," they just sucked less than what came before while retaining app compatibility. Windows 10 was probably the best of the bunch, but I still actively dislike using it. I actively like my hybrid CLI + GUI workflow, and Windows offers a terrible CLI experience.

openSUSE purely because it’s not really intended to be a general purpose OS

openSUSE is a family of OSes, all with different use cases:

Aeon/Kalpa - immutable desktop that you don't need to worry about; like Silverblue
Tumbleweed - rolling release, requires a little bit of understanding/intervention; like Arch, but with openQA to catch many of the issues
Leap - traditional release-based OS, ideally prefer one of the above; like Debian

I don't recommend openSUSE to new users because it's not super popular, so support can be iffy, but it has been more solid than other distros for me. I'm testing out Aeon on my laptop to see if I can recommend it.

[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Windows XP completely sucked until SP2

The service packs were mainly minor bug fixes, security changes, and support for new hardware. Besides a handful of new settings pages, almost none of the changes were noticed by users.

Also, of the whole windows XP era, SP2 is the one that most users experienced and remember.

, and then it was only “good” because it sucked less than what came before.

Windows XP came after both 2000 and ME. 2000 only focused on businesses and they loved it, and ME only lasted 2 weeks and was recalled, so almost no one had to deal with it. XP came after both good and bad versions of windows and was generally loved.

Windows 7 was only “good” because they undid the worst of the changes in Vista

Actually 7 was good because it continued the changes. Vista was half baked and rushed out due to the failure of the longhorn project. The user facing problems of vista fit into two buckets:

New hardware driver model
Poor optimisation

The new driver model wasn't given to hardware teams early enough so almost no hardware worked out of the box with Vista. And the hardware that did, often had stability issues because there wasn't enough time to test the drivers that they launched with.

Windows 7 used the exact same hardware driver model as Vista. People often thought changes were made to Windows but no, it just the fact that the hardware folks had enough time to sort out their own drivers and test them.

The poor optimisation was a Vista problem however. Vista was pushed out the door generally feature complete, but the devs didn't have enough time to optimise Vista's processes. Windows 7's internals were mostly the same as Vista's, except that the features were already there, so the devs could just focus on the already existing software.

and 8 sucked more.

8 actually continued the optimisations from 7, but the replaced UI was definitely a major screw up.

The same is largely true of 10, it’s only “good” because it’s less bad than 8.

10 actually continued the optimisations from 8, and the new UI resembling 7's was a welcome change.

Funnily enough, 11 actually continued some optimisations from 10, but you would never know because there's so much bloated adware inside it. That's why people like the "fixed" versions of Windows 11, like the regular version after running open source fix of choice (Win11Debloat, tronscript, etc...), the open source debloated installs (like Tiny11), or the official debloated/debloatable installs (Windows 11 IoT LTSC, Windows 11 Enterprise).

Windows 11 is optimised enough that a bunch of devs enjoy sticking it on ever underpowered and unsupported hardware. Someone ported it back to a 9 year old smartphone (32-bit arm), and recently someone got it running on a smartwatch. Technically, you could run an app in a containerised Windows 11 install on a server and have it take up 290mb storage but I wouldn't call that a typical windows 11 user experience.

I actively like my hybrid CLI + GUI workflow, and Windows offers a terrible CLI experience.

Windows used to offer a terrible CLI experience.

Now it comes with Windows Terminal and either powershell for a powerful non-posix shell, and WSL2 for whatever posix shell you want (and wslg for launching linux gui apps from said shells).

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

The service packs were mainly minor bug fixes, security changes, and support for new hardware.

There were a lot of security fixes, to the point where anything before SP2 was dangerous to run.

Windows XP came after both 2000 and ME. 2000 only focused on businesses and they loved it

Windows 2000 was supposed to be super secure, but it ended up being a security nightmare. ME was recalled because it was incredibly unstable.

Windows 98 was fine, though it was pretty old by the time XP came out.

The poor optimisation was a Vista problem however.

I recall it being a massive memory hog, because it tried to do something with app optimization and ended up just eating all the RAM.

But yeah, Windows 7 was just a better Windows Vista. They seemed to fix the memory situation, and they removed a lot of the eye candy that seemed to cause issues in Vista.

10 actually continued the optimisations from 8, and the new UI resembling 7’s was a welcome change.

Yeah, I don't know what they were smoking with 8. They seemed to really want to make mobile happen and I guess Win 8 was part of that, and then they completely abandoned the Windows Phone idea a few years later, even after buying Nokia. They were late to market and didn't invest enough to catch up.

It was a really weird time for Windows.

And yeah, I get that they continued optimizations with each release, that's generally what I expect from an OS. The problem is that they shipped half-baked ideas with each release.

Windows used to offer a terrible CLI experience.

Now it comes with Windows Terminal and either powershell for a powerful non-posix shell, and WSL2 for whatever posix shell you want (and wslg for launching linux gui apps from said shells).

Yes, they now technically support it, but it's not going to be the same workflow. WSL1 has a lot of gaps, and WSL2 is a VM and has associated tradeoffs.

It's fine if you want to run a few commands every so often, but it's not going to be an integrated experience. For example:

WSL2 has better performance and compatibility,, which is what you'd expect from a VM, with the huge caveat of IO issues when interacting with the host OS
WSL1 has better host IO, but lots of missing features (systemd, various system calls, etc)

I was never really a fan of powershell, so I can't really comment on that. The new terminal is better though.

That said, maybe it's better now. I haven't used Windows for a few years. But at least at the time I tried it, it felt like a gimmick to try to keep people on Windows, instead of a legitimately useful feature for people who want or need both. I always felt like you should just use a VM or dual boot instead.