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last time it was like this was in the 30s. typical of Americans to forget their history after 100 years of it. they have created an uneducated half to complicate those who've learned.
Once everyone is dead who lived through it, and everyone who grew up on their stories, history is effectively lost to everyone but historians. I've seen it happening in my own lifetime.
It's not like we spent a lot of energy making sure our kids understand WW2 lore. It's presumed irrelevant to their lives so it's presented as "how we got here" not "this will happen to you." Hell, we beat the Nazis, right? The subtle shit like hiring them into our countries or displacing an entire people to give (or restore, however you want to look at it but after 100 years I figure everyone is gone who has any kind of claim to the land and that's that) Jews a homeland—that stuff barely gets a mention.
Point is, I don't think it's Americans alone, and I don't think it's this generation in particular. The far right is rising globally. We've all forgotten. America, as the "sole superpower" might be the worst case, but it's happening everywhere. And we're going to create generations of misery because we have to learn the lesson again.
It's why we have monuments everywhere, memorials and a few national holidays to reminds us.
Nazis got very popular in 30s America right? What changed?
Pearl Harbor was the real turning point. Also leadership wanted to support the allies but had to get the public on board. The tide started to turn with Hitler's invasions of Austria, Czechoslovakia, and especially Poland, but Pearl Harbor was the crucible.
We need an external enemy to distract us from fighting each other and to achieve solidarity.
I think it's human nature. Education is supposed to combat that, but it's slow and imperfect, and of course the reactionaries among us fight that tooth and nail, most especially if they suspect children will come out of that education changed somehow. But changing minds is the very point. If you believe the same things at the end of education that you believed beforehand, well, then, that's a failed education.
It's not about indoctrination - that's just the reactionaries projecting. They believe the purpose of education is to make children believe the exact same things their parents and religious clerics believe.
I think humans not only forget their history, but also the very bedrock of science. We have people still litigating evolution or a spherical Earth, FFS. And we have people rejecting things like measles vaccines because they didn't see massive misery and death in their own lifetimes. Like you said, there is not enough people being told: without the proper precautions, this could happen to YOU. Or YOUR KIDS. It's something that happened to prior generations or people that are old (so what do they know about life, lol?).
It's trite and it's been said by many. The main thing I've learned from studying history is that people don't learn from history (or not enough do).
So we keep doing the same things.
I mean, just look at something like measles, which was far more recent. But, starting with maybe younger boomers and definitely within Gen X, you started getting this "but what have vaccines ever done for us?" kind of bullshit, because a lot of people are too stupid and arrogant to learn shit from history or their elders.
But those that lived through it tend to remember even if they were not necessarily brainiacs...
It's sad, but as a group, humans just don't do very well at learning the important things from their elders or from history...the stupid racism and wives' tales seems to get passed down, however.
Again, if there is one thing I would hope for when it comes to technology breakthroughs, it would be to make humans smarter, wiser and more empathetic. I don't know how that might be possible, but truly transferring powerful wisdom to the next generations to all and automatically, would be an unbelievable improvement over what we have. Imagine something like The Matrix, but instead of learning kung fu or how to fly a helicopter, you get the wisdom of the ancients and important lessons from history, at your disposal, for your entire life...and everyone gets that...
I think you have to drink sandworm bile for that.
Or maybe the NeuroBlaster 3000 Quantum Fibrillator?
Ever since seeing that scene in the original Dune where the Bene Gesserit hand down all the wisdom of the past sisters, I cannot help but wonder what an ability like that - even if only through some kind of technology augmentation - would do for humanity.