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[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Will you provide any evidence for your claims? It's not me who's claiming Roman republic was a democratic state (lol). "popular assemblies composed of common citizens" lol, look up centuriate assembly and see how many votes common sitizens had in it (spoiler: 0.5% of total votes).

[–] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Evidence I was talking about were links to books about primary historical sources that I could read.

If the Roman Republic, isn't democratic enough for you, then, as I said, we could talk about the Athenians. Or perhaps the Iroquois League.

But what was your point again? The merit and utility of a system of governance is measured by how long it lasts, or something to that effect?

In your words,

  1. Democracy is shit.

and,

Demonstrably false.

in response to (paraphrasing), "other systems of government other than democracy are worse."

So, educate me and everyone else, then. What are you talking about, and send some links to back up whatever that is.

[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If the Roman Republic, isn’t democratic enough for you, then, as I said, we could talk about the Athenians

Athenian democracy existed for less than 200 years and Athens were a village with 10k population. Might as well just talk about US so that democracy doesn't embarass itself.

Or perhaps the Iroquois League.

What about it?

The merit and utility of a system of governance is measured by how long it lasts

Yep.

What are you talking about, and send some links to back up whatever that is.

What's not clear to you? You said it yourself: ">The merit and utility of a system of governance is measured by how long it lasts". Let's conduct a thought experiment. What's better, your current government, or or new ideal government that has perfect conditions for its citizens, but only lasts for 1 day and then the state collapses?

[–] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago) (1 children)

A dictatorship may last for millennia, but the duration of a system of government's continuity is not the sole, nor most important, attribute when judging its legitimacy, utility, merit for all its citizens.

You're taking a teenage edgelord's, or if serious, a ~~sociopath's~~ dictator's position, as if that's something to aspire to be.

[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml 1 points 39 minutes ago

but the duration of a system of government’s continuity is not the sole, nor most important, attribute when judging its legitimacy, utility, merit for all its citizens.

  1. Not all government forms have the institution of citizenship

  2. Why isn't longevity the most important attribute? Any organization's goal is to last as long as possible. All other goals come second.

You’re taking a teenage edgelord’s, or if serious, a sociopath’s dictator’s position, as if that’s something to aspire to be.

Unrelated to the discussion, ad hominem.