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cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/7501

What European email services do you use?

Please recommend other interesting email services by your experience.

I have switched from Google's Gmail to ProtonMail and kMail. I really like both, kMail (by Infomaniak) have very similar app interface to Gmail so you will get used to it very fast and also have big storage for free and very good offers for paid plans πŸ‘πŸΌ

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[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Here's the actual tweet so you can see it for yourself

He did praise Trump and platform him, then he praised the Republican party saying they are the party of "the little guys" (small business), which is just flat out wrong. He does not acknowledge that there are an abundance of things Trump is doing that is fucking awful and disgusting. At best it's an extremely tone-deaf tweet.

What that comment does is paint Trump and the Republican party in a very good light and ignores other things they do that are terrible, illegal, and much more important than a single cherry-picked action. That's effectively an endorsement (i.e. ass-kissing) without saying it in exact words.

Also, it's so very obvious that anyone associated with Trump absolutely needs to abide by Trump's every whim or else he will replace you. So, the point he was trying to make is entirely moot in the first place.

There is just no way to praise Trump or the Republican party without showing your ignorance or alignment with them. Just like you can't just have a little bit of shit in your food. Once you've got even a little bit of shit in your food, then you've got shit-food. Or, in this case, a Trump-shit stained CEO's mouth.

[–] gabbath@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Jesus, that tweet... He's become one with the rot.

[–] rooroo@feddit.org 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s even worse than I thought tbh. Half a year ago I considered a move to Proton, now I’m glad I didn’t.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I did move, then cancelled my sub. Now I have to find another another

[–] CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 1 points 54 minutes ago

I'm a big fan of tuta if you just need mail for the other services mullvad's still pretty good if you're not doing torrenting/need port forwarding for other reasons. Bitwarden is amazingm

[–] Comtief@lemm.ee -1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I did move to proton after hearing all this stuff, seems overblown and out of context. Tone deaf of the CEO to make such a tweet, sure, but he has been a long time supporter of liberals and not a fan of Trump.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What context? There's no other context for this tweet.

The way I see it is that he only cares about how his business and his own ideologies benefit. As long as he gets what he wants, that's what matters. Not everything else that's absolutely horrendous that Trump and the Republican party are doing, and things that show that you can't trust anything they do even if it may seem like a good thing on its face.

At best, tone-deaf, ignorant, and somewhat disrespectful to the people that are and will be suffering from Trump's regime.

That ain't a CEO that I can trust. I'll pass. You do what you want, but it's certainly not overblown or missing context.

[–] Comtief@lemm.ee 2 points 41 minutes ago

I don't blame you for drawing these conclusions, for me what I've read this far is not convincing enough to stop using Proton. It makes me weary, yes, but it's not so black and white for me after I read more about it. I'd still take proton over Gmail any day and the private drive thing is nice too, as long as he won't go full pro-Trump, I'm fine with Proton. I mean, he is not even wrong that democrats are captured by big tech, he just seems naive to think that Republicans are not actually worse. Also his donating pattern is similar to George Soros, so there is that.

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

For real. Even Bernie Sanders has praised Trump on a single issue before. Are we going to turn against him too?

Donald Trump Gets Unexpected Praise from Bernie Sanders: 'Good Idea'

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

False equivalence. Bernie has more than enough history of outlining his views on Trump. Yen doesn't have that kind of history, so the tweet reads as an endorsement overall. The fact he's stating that 'Republicans are the party for small businesses' in itself shows how absolutely ignorant he is and willing to drink their bullshit.

That's enough for me to see how he stands. He may not be fully supportive of Trump and the Republicans, but he's shown himself to be beyond the threshold that I am willing to tolerate.

[–] Comtief@lemm.ee -2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

https://archive.ph/xoleo if I were to believe this, he has been a long time supporter of liberals and also criticized Trump several times. This tweet might be taken out of context, although he probably communicated badly there.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Plenty of Trump's current regime has criticized Trump. And now they're licking his boots. So, I'm not sure that's a exactly a great argument.

[–] Comtief@lemm.ee -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I think its a better argument once you consider Proton has donated a lot to liberals and to support Ukraine and that the tweet was specifically about antitrust enforcement against Big Tech. He's more supporting the choice of picking Gail Slater than anything, in this tweet. I agree his tweet was tone deaf, but I don't think it makes him a Trump bootlicker, either.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

The fact he's stating that 'Republicans are the party for small businesses' in itself shows how absolutely ignorant he is and willing to drink their bullshit.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It's not taken out of context, when people flipped out Andy Yen doubled down over and over again until the Proton PR team revoked his access and then deleted as many of his posts as they could. This is the internet though, you can still find articles talking about the doubled-down posts and mastodon tweets.

[–] Comtief@lemm.ee 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Do you have any links to the articles and mastodon tweets? I can't find anything atm. EDIT: https://archive.ph/2yWGz

https://insights.priva.cat/p/a-follow-up-on-does-proton-still

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMADisasters/comments/1i2a8wy/protonmail_ceo_supports_trump_appointee_users_are/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/so_that_happened/

https://techstory.in/proton-mail-faces-backlash-over-claims-of-political-neutrality-amid-ceos-praise-for-republican-party/

https://insights.priva.cat/p/a-follow-up-on-does-proton-still

Went through these.. didn't really contradict anything I said, imo. I mean, yes he seems naive in believing that republicans could somehow be more against big tech than democrats... but at the same time, the corporate capture is pretty bad in the USA overall (by bad i mean way too overextended). If anything, Andy just seems single minded about the issue of big tech and that makes him naive about republicans, but it doesn't look like he is actually supporting them.. yet. Like, he foolishly says what is on his mind with zero regards to optics.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Yeah I'll see if I can find some later on.

[–] Comtief@lemm.ee 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

That's not the double down, he kept posting big huge paragraphs praising the Republican party and using some very maga-soindijg sound bites. I'll try to come back to this later and provide some sources that actually reference some of the now-deleted posts, I'm currently stuck in a waiting room. Not gonna try to do that level of research on a phone lol.