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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Liberals usually weren't shot even pre-Glasnost unless they were terrorist cells, like the White Army or Nazi sympathizers.

The reforms did weaken the economy. This is factual. The Soviet Union was one of the fastest growing and most impressive economies of the 20th century, this slowed with reforms.

Read Robert Conquest? Seriously? The crank that made wild estimates before the opening of the Soviet Archives disproved him, whose coworkers denounced their own work with him on the Black Book of Communism, which included Nazis killed by the Soviets in the "death toll of Communism?* That's your trump card, a long-debunked anticommunist myth from the Red Scare no historian, even anticommunist historians, supports these days? The Black Book has long been debunked as false.

It didn't declare Pat Sloan the only source of truth, but included it as a respected resource. It isn't only Communists that reference Pat Sloans works, but liberals as well.

Considering you unironically recommend propagandist Robert Conquest as a source that even liberals disagree with, you're only proving me right.

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee -5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Right. Beria was well known for his trigger discipline.

It wasn't that impressive for the people living there. Otherwise they wouldn't have rejected it.

Debunked, according to a genocide denying Russian propaganda asset.

To portray the opinion of Stalinists. Which they contrast with actual data and the opinions of actual historians.

How about you cite some of those liberals, instead of a tankie rag?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You have no data, lmao. You just make assertions.

The people of the USSR voted to dissolve it after liberal reforms had slowed the economy, and political instability in the government had eroded faith in the system. Most people regret that choice and wish it retained.

Here's yet another debunk of the Black Book. Every time you repeat this conspiracy theory nonsense that was debunked without a shadow of a doubt after the anticommunists opened the Soviet Archives and revealed the real figures that were far below the numbers Conquest pulled out of his ass, you prove me correct.

Seriously, you have nothing other than a propagandist and you double down.