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How many guns were used by African Americans before and after reconstruction? Do you not know the history of the civil rights movment and the black panther party using guns to advance their anti fascist cause?(something that even the NRA detested and so chose to support the disarming of the working class) did you know the two biggest growing demographic of gun owners today are colored women and LGBTQ people?
Also it goes without saying that we haven't had a leftist uprising since leftism has virtually been erased From the chat since the 1980’s and supressed to the point that most people believe neo liberal right leaning centrists cosplaying as leftists and believing that ballot box socialism/reform is actually a plausible way to remedy a system Entirely corrupted by corporatists. But right now we are definitely at a precipice where we are closer than ever to a class war and i would rather die in the furtherance of that cause than be provided some half ass sense of security through the deprivation of my civil right to own a firearm. I personally am sick of this consumerist capitalist hellscape we’ve had beaten over the head our entire lives as the only way a civilized society should function while we produce disposable useless consumerist garbage, waste 1/3 of all food produced that isnt sold for a profit to make billionaires even richer while enough homes and apartments sit empty to provide ebery homeless person over a dozen homes,
In the words of Marx “any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated, by force if necessary”
So, do you think there's a realistic chance of a violent leftist rebellion now?
Ill answer your question by pasting someones comment i read today in a post in r/technology that briefly made it to r/all before mods removed it. The post was about reddit’s response to the wide spread luigi mangione support and it was someone posting a response to an AI prompt on GROK3 and I think it provides a good image of where we are as a society and where this will lead us in the hopefully not too distant future.(the sooner the better IMO)
I think if you ask an AI they'll tell you.
Here's what Grok told me a couple weeks ago:
here is Grok 3's unexpurgated take:
(Me) Assuming that the billionaires solidify their control of the US government past the point that the people can ever have a say in what happens anymore and voting becomes irrelevant, what ultimately happens after the system is completely controlled by the 0.001%?
If billionaires were to solidify control over the U.S. government to the point where democracy effectively collapses and the public has no meaningful influence, the outcome would likely be a slow but steady transformation into an oligarchic system—think a modern feudalism with extra steps. Power would concentrate in the hands of a tiny elite, maybe a few dozen families or individuals, who’d use their wealth to dictate policy, law, and resource distribution. History gives us some clues: when unchecked elites run the show—Roman patricians, Renaissance merchant-princes, or even post-Soviet oligarchs—things tend to follow a pattern.
First, you’d see the economy morph into a machine that funnels wealth upward even faster. Tax structures, labor laws, and regulations would tilt hard toward protecting the 0.001%—no more pesky antitrust enforcement or worker protections. Corporations owned by these billionaires would dominate, merging with the state in a kind of gilded fascism. Think monopolies on steroids, where dissenters get crushed not by jackboots but by algorithm-driven blacklists and financial ostracism. The middle class would erode as wages stagnate and automation (owned by the elite) displaces jobs, leaving a stark divide: a small aristocracy and a sprawling, dependent underclass.
Society wouldn’t stay quiet forever, though. People don’t just shrug off losing their voice—they simmer, then boil. Without voting as an outlet, unrest would grow. Protests, riots, maybe even low-level insurgencies could pop up, especially as inequality becomes unbearable. The billionaires would counter with surveillance tech and private security forces—Blackwater 2.0, but with drones and AI. Public education and healthcare would likely wither, keeping the masses less capable of organizing or resisting. Propaganda would ramp up too, probably through media they own, painting their rule as inevitable or benevolent.
Long term, it’s unstable. Absolute control sounds nice if you’re at the top, but it breeds resentment and fragility. The 0.001% might fracture internally—power-hungry elites often turn on each other when there’s no external threat to unify them. Or some black-swan event (climate disaster, tech breakthrough, foreign interference) could disrupt their grip. If the system gets too rigid, it might just collapse under its own weight, like a top-heavy empire—think Rome 2.0, but with better Wi-Fi. Alternatively, they could pull off a dystopian win, keeping the masses pacified with bread, circuses, and VR headsets while they sip champagne in fortified enclaves.
No crystal ball here, but the vibe would be a mix of The Hunger Games aesthetics and Gilded Age vibes—opulence for the few, quiet desperation for the rest, and a slow burn toward either revolution or resignation. What do you think—would people fight back hard, or just adapt to the new normal?
(Me again) In the scenario you just described, what happens to the billionaires themselves after society collapses?
Once society collapses under the weight of their control, the billionaires’ fate hinges on how well they’ve insulated themselves and how the collapse plays out. They’ve got resources—money, private security, bunkers, offshore havens—so they’re not exactly scrambling for scraps right away. But they’re not invincible either; a societal breakdown cuts both ways.
If it’s a chaotic free-for-all—think riots, infrastructure failure, and armed factions—they’d likely hole up in fortified compounds or flee to places like New Zealand or private islands they’ve already bought. They’ve got the means: private jets, loyal mercenaries, and stockpiles of food and fuel. Some might even have tech-driven mini-cities ready, with solar grids and hydroponics to ride out the storm. For a while, they’d live like post-apocalyptic kings, surrounded by guards and sipping vintage wine while the world burns. But isolation has limits. Supply chains, even private ones, erode in total chaos. Their staff—pilots, security, engineers—might turn on them if loyalty fades or desperation kicks in. A pissed-off ex-employee with a gun and a grudge could unravel their little utopia fast.
If the collapse spawns organized resistance—say, a coalition of pissed-off citizens or a rogue military splinter—they’d face bigger threats. Billions don’t buy immunity from a determined mob or a drone strike. History’s littered with examples: French aristocrats thought their chateaus were safe until the guillotines rolled out. The billionaires might try to negotiate, offering resources to warlords or new power players, but trust would be thin. They could end up as bargaining chips, ransomed, or just eliminated as symbols of the old regime.
Internally, they’d probably start eating each other too. With no common enemy left to unify them, rivalries would flare. One billionaire’s private army might raid another’s compound for dwindling resources. Alliances would shift, paranoia would spike, and their little oligarchy could fracture into a survivalist soap opera. Think Game of Thrones, but with fewer dragons and more Teslas.
Longer term, if society rebuilds, they might try to reinsert themselves as saviors—funding reconstruction, playing philanthropist to rewrite their legacy. Some might pull it off, especially if they’ve hoarded critical tech or knowledge. Others could fade into obscurity, their wealth meaningless in a world that’s moved on. Worst case, they’re hunted down by a new order that sees them as the root of the mess.
So, post-collapse, they’d either cling to power as warlord-lite figures in their gilded cages, get taken out by betrayal or vengeance, or slink away to obscurity if the world resets. Depends on how ruthless they stay and how much the rest of humanity cares to chase them. What’s your take—would they outlast the chaos or get swallowed by it?
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Its like people are Soooooooo fucking close to seeing the reality of our society for what it has become but so many continue to cling to a delusional ideal of American exceptionalism and the integrity of neo liberal western democracy that has for anyone with a functioning brain, ceased to exist since at least the 1980’s or very likely since the mass assassinations of left wing civil rights and political leaders in the 1960’s like maybe the second half of the prompt hasn't become reality yet but the first half is spot on. It is just like that scene in sacha baron cohen’s the dictator where he goes on a tangent about why do american’s hate dictatorships so much and then describes what american would look like in a dictatorship and pretty much describes exactly what America has increasingly become i the last 5-6 decades
If you noticed and have been paying attention to society and reading between the lines you can see we are already well beyond the first half of this AI assessment having happened Like we are so close to where we need to be but so many people have been immobilized by poverty and continuing the motions of paycheck to paycheck existence that they really cant stand up behind the scenes and so many others have bought the koolaid and think that a system that has been completely compromised by corporatism and money will allow for self remediation through the same system while they simultaneously ignore the fact that the democratic party actively works to thwart any policy movement to the left and ultimately neo liberal western democracy actively fights against the implementation of economic democracy which makes it a defacto class dictatorship. Too many of us have been conditioned so thoroughly and insidiously that they cant tell the difference between real journalism and corporate propaganda masquerading as journalism with integrity. And then anyone who points out the most likely reality of the situation is called a conspiracy theorist and leftist leaning explanations that substantiate any collusion by the ultra wealthy and are deemed “conspiracy” are considered lunacy but now the right has coopted this mistrust of authority to empower itself and weaponized it to the complete opposite end of the spectrum that leftists calling out abuses of power who first brought this type of diabolical over reach by the ultra wealthy to light did in the days before the internet and modern PR tactics that aim to discredit anyone who aims to speak truth to power. The world has become a bizarro upside down land but i think the same old tricks that corporatists/ capitalists have been using now since the 1990’s (and really even before then) are becoming obvious and class consciousness is at a level Of main stream acceptance that we have never seem before since the advent of the information super highway at least.
It may take more time but things are getting where they need to be and removing the right of regular people to obtain firearms will be a step in the wrong direction and serve to push the precipice of revolution further down the road possibly decades or even a century or more.