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Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Both are the problem. Try harder.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not all leftists are this problem. Just the ones who didn't vote for Kamala in an otherwise winnable state.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I agree with that.
That and one issue voters, and third party voters.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Where do you draw the line? The problem with "vote Blue no matter who" is that you give the Democrats more and more license to drift further and further right.

Kamala thought wrongly that she could completely abandon the progressive base. She fully embraced conservative positioning on Israel, the US border, and other issues. She ran a right wing campaign, compromising issue after issue to appeal to centrist Republicans.

Kamala's degeneracy was only possible because of the attitude you espouse. Because as long as progressives are willing to "vote Blue no matter who," there is nothing to prevent Democrats from drifting ever-further to the right.

The modern political landscape exists precisely because of the fact that for decades, progressives have been voting "Blue no matter who." Democrats haven't had to work hard to secure their base; they've taken them for granted. This has allowed Democrats to slip further to the right. As Democrats have slipped further right, Republicans have responded by moving into outright Fascism.

You are unwilling to ever hold Democrats accountable. And by doing so, you guarantee that eventually the presidential race will be "KKK vs neo-Nazis," as Democrats themselves drift into Fascism.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You're mixing up cause and effect

Yes it's not the best strategy to appeal to the right, but the truth is their policies were more popular, Trump didn't win on any tangible proposal, he won because of people staying home because they didn't think he'd be that dangerous + people voting for Trump because the were convinced he'd be the one to deliver the policies they wanted (often the democrat's policies which Trump took credit for) + straight propaganda from billionaire owned newspapers

The real fix isn't changing the policies and all that, it's better outreach and showing how their actions have directly helped people and how Trump achieved nothing positive

Also is very very weird when Biden has been the most progressive US president ever to talk about the whole party slipping to the right.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

"Right" is relative to cultural median. Trump isn't a more progressive Republican than past candidates just because he's scapegoating trans people instead of gay people.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Im not going to refrence every point you made. I do agree with a lot of it.

I suppose this is my line: Now is the time for the 3rd party conversations, and actual action. Not two months before a general election. Not one 3rd party candidate put the work in this last four years, they just suddenly pop up right before the election with nothing in thier moving van. They were just on the street corner asking for money. Where are they now?

The R's and D's are where they are partly because they've spent so long putting the work into having a political party. For better or worse.

[–] oehm@midwest.social -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Democrats are the ones that need to try harder

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Vote for better Democrats in the primaries (show when an incumbent won the general after a contested primary and convention before complaining about the lack of challengers in the 2024 Democratic presidential primaries).

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net -2 points 1 month ago

What's with all the people who are so aggressively trying to make sure everybody learns the wrong lesson?