Booo to miss Busy Body.
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joined 2 years ago
It does to many, thus the awareness of how it works here, that is all.
If you don't think it matters, or you understand enough to be sure never to expose yourself in a way that you are uncomfortable with that is awesome! Many are waking up to a realization of the nature of things here they were previously not aware of, and some are growing very uncomfortable with that now that they can't adapt their previous engagement to that knowledge.
I don’t think the word “privacy” is a good word for the concept. I believe “user data control” or “right to be forgotten” is more appropriate for the “deletion issue”. However, there are few privacy issues such as instance admins having access to private messages and the potential for a hack to expose users e-mail addresses and usernames.
This has been debated, and is very dependent on the context. It is a very broad concept to try to address and the lines do get blurred on the definition of what is "private data". The hope here is to partition the responsibilities of the admin from the user.
Me too! The world is different now.
Existing social media never really gave you a real edit/delete button anyway either. It’s all anonymity theater. The reality is that your data was always being scrapped and archived, somewhere by someone. This is just a reality created by digitization and virtually free recording/copying. No specific digital medium was ever going to protect you from this.
I explain the distinction to federated in the post. It is very different than a scrape or archive.
In the early days of the internet, everyone knew to use pseudonyms and not share personal information. We seemed to have forgotten this lesson. Maybe it’s time to relearn this lesson. Life is full of lessons. Let this be just one more.
Exactly. I am bringing awareness back to this.
No one should fool themselves into thinking they can use a pseudonym and not eventually doxx themselves accidentally if they have any level of engagement. People have grown accustom to being able to somewhat reverse that mistake. Many are also not accustom to their interests, their votes, and their voice is all retained, in one, easily digested and public place.
I explain the distinction in the post. It is very different on a platform designed to distribute at instant of hitting submit.
Also...
I do expect my account to be secure, in that no one should be able to pretend to be me.
Surprise! They very easily can here.
When you shout in a town square, does everything else you've ever shouted, everything you've ever voiced your support for, everything you follow closely echo and remain in that square?
Again, this is a feature. But one people really have to understand before they engage here.
I have had concerns about this since I joined. Personally I don't mind that the votes are public and can see a case for it, however the wider community is doing a very poor job of informing the users how this all works, and that will result in very bad outcomes.
Lemmy (the wider community) privacy does stink (and how to change that)
You'll want to post more detail than
the instance would not work
VM doesn't boot? Backend doesn't start? Nginx doesn't start or returns an error when visiting? Database connection?
Thanks! I'm for mass adoption and want admins to succeed. That starts with keeping users educated (and admins covered).
This is largely assumed by someone like yourself or I who understands the implications. I am finding it evident that a lot of people are not aware.
There is also a distinction to a potential screenshot, a scrape or archive no one visits, and a federated copy on a widly used instance you have lost access to.
I edited my comment above to include a project I am working on to hopefully help admins get this across and educate users on how to appropriately engage to their comfort level.
This keeps on being asserted but it is far from true. If defederation happens or your local goes offline, posts/comment history/profile/votes will remain on other widely used instances and out of your control.
A large instance has already defederated with 2 other larger instances. If you run a personal instance I feel it will become very, very common to be be locked out of managing your data.
You can expect defederation to happen all the time as that is a deliberate part of the open federated model.
And that is to say nothing about federation simply breaking sometimes.
I already have been locked out of content that exists on other instances that will remain forever and I've only been around a short while. I don't care personally, but people keep asserting this claim that only bad actors or scrapers will dupe your data. Federated data is very different than a non-federated copy for many reasons and that matters to some people. Everyone should understand deleting your account, or modifying your content will often not remove your content outside your instance, and many people engage outside their local. It will likely exist in federated, Lemmy searchable form forever in some capacity (in the current iteration anyway).
Not trying to spread FUD, but if we want to maintain users they have to be educated as they will find out eventually and not be happy.
I have some working drafts on policies for admins to help them navigate and explain their responsibilities to their users.
It is a bit of a weird read outside of the context, but this is an optional primer I have drafted that will hopefully help explain the distinctions:
https://github.com/BanzooIO/federated_policies_and_tos/blob/main/optional-privacy-policy-intro.md
Yeah, awesome. That is another thing I am raising awareness of. What this actually protects you from, being tracked and profiled. That is an amazing feature of federation getting lost in data safety.