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You are saying "the bad is a necessary evil to protect free speech," and not at all addressing the fact that the "bad" doesn't appear to exist on modern Substack. If you have seen it, where have you seen it?

I literally linked an example.

tell me what ideas you are in favor of removing from Substack. Where are they on Substack, right now?

Follow the links.

So why are you still upset at them?

Link.

I actually do agree with Substack's original moderation stance, precisely for reasons of free speech. We can talk about that if you want, although it's a more complex conversation and we probably won't come to agree on it.

I had a feeling, and maybe this reply isn't outright confirmation, but it's enough. I think you tunnel visioned so hard on defending poor Substack and free speech that you're not even properly reading what you're replying to. You're going up and down this thread, finger on the trigger, and the moment you see the word Nazi you just fire.

You're right, we probably wouldn't agree, and if my read on you is any good, I'd rather not risk wasting time on that conversion.

If you think my problem with Substack is "Nazis are there right now," then you didn't get it. I must've not explained myself well, and that's on me, but you're missing the point regardless.

Nazis are part of my explanation because it ought to be clear to any reasonable reader how they should be dealt with, but one can still be horrible without being an outright Nazi. Those people should be dealt with similarly. Substack will see something horrible and first ask, "but how would our handling of this affect free speech?" which is a disgrace and a red flag.

I'm commenting on a larger issue related to the topic. At no point do I say people shouldn't listen to good journalists because of their platform of choice. At no point do I claim there are Nazis there. To reiterate: bad is not specifically and exclusively Nazis.

Substack may not be Nazi-central, but it's surely a product of broligarchy.

You're answering something else, man.

I've seen people defend Substack saying it's not so bad, or the bad is a necessary evil to protect free speech.

I'm gonna say it: fuck free speech, I like myself some censorship. I sincerely believe some things are too harmful to be allowed to openly proliferate, that there's often a feasible path to reaching that conclusion, and it's not that difficult.

We mustn't avoid this because "it harms free speech." Nazis love that argument, and they're a threat to much more than just free speech. They shouldn't get to block attempts at censoring them, and they specially shouldn't get support to do so, because they're one of the reasons it's necessary in the first place.

"But not every case is clear-cut like Nazis," people will say, "you shouldn't support censorship, since it can be used for evil. Innocent ideas always get censored, too." To which I'll reply, "tell me more about those innocent ideas." When that happens, tell me. I'll reach out to people in charge, spread the news, get mad, help you in any way I can to fix it. We'll do it together. Fucking tell me more.

But lo and behold, many innocent ideas turn out to be dog-whistles or worse, it's always the same shit.

I don't care if it's Substack, or Ghost, or Twitter, or Reddit, or whatever. It's one thing to platform harmful views unaware. I get it, moderation is hard. Once aware, though, if your response is "but free speech," fuck off. It is moral and correct to censor Nazis. Same for people saying immigrants will eat your pets, or that gays want to sexualize children, change their genders, and harm women. Fuck that.

Platforms defining themselves on free speech is a red flag. "We're popular with both extremes" isn't a defense, it's a self-report that you're just a mercenary and like it that way—both sides being users means double the revenue.

Substack may not be Nazi-central, but it's surely a product of broligarchy.

You can also rent on YouTube, and even buy there, so you can always access your cherished movies in reliable and enduring Google Services.

Are we talking about the same thing, here? The post says cybertruck. I reference the cybertruck. You bring up an old loaner, again. Is your old loaner an eighty-thousand dollar shitbox or not?

No reasonable person is chasing after poor sods with old loaners to vandalize.

I got harassed today for my loaner

I'm sorry you got harassed, but I must ask: did your car get vandalized?

Henry Ford has been dead for over half a century.
Elon is showing up at Alternative für Deutschland events and doing nazi salutes.

Would you like to explain to the dealership that gave me a shitty old loaner Tesla why you decided to vandalize

Surely you realize that analogy is flawed? That's not an old loaner—even if it is shitty—it's an eighty-thousand dollar and higher, highly controversial, highly marketed, nearly experimental vehicle. No reasonable person is chasing after poor sods with old loaners to vandalize.

Don’t vandalize other people’s shit. You don’t know what their situation is. Golden rule, motherfucker.

Since we're being nice about it, how about don't support nazis. Golden rule, dipshit.

...I don't think you're a dipshit, but I do think "vandalism or not" is irrelevant, here. Property isn't sacred, and even if it were, vandalizing nazi symbols would be far from the worst sin to commit.

Joking for real, or seriously for real? The vast majority of people that used twitter are still using twitter. This applies to users in the united states, of course, but it especially applies to those in the entire rest of the world, where elon's shit largely hasn't crossed the culture/language barrier, or doesn't matter to people.

Realistically, the dignity with which one is treated is not intrinsic, it's largely a product of our environment. The same individual, worthy as any other, will be treated very differently around the world. Your dignity isn't merely a transaction, it's a lottery.

These messages always ring so hollow. "This internet stranger thinks you're worth it!" Sure mate, but you don't know them, and likely never will. It's the perverse opposite of toxic doomerism: positivity wanking for show. You're soo worth it, now get back to work, bills won't pay themselves.

Sorry, not aimed at you, jmcs. Good on you for explaining. I'm straight up not having a good time, just block me.

Yes, good point, famous or deeply entrenched in society.

We will remember where capitalists stood during the rise of fascism

I can't fathom where you folks find such optimism. Friends and family, neighbors and coworkers, many of the people you talk to every day, and even more of those that you don't, will continue to depend on and sustain these companies, now and beyond. There'll be no consequences for those calling the shots, regardless of whether the tides change or not.

This isn't new, and I don't see why it'd change now. They don't care about forgiveness, nor do they need to—how soon will convenience cover all past crimes against humanity. History shows us that companies can partake in genocide and, so long as they play the game, they'll just get a slap on the wrist, then get right back to business. And we'll pay them to do it.

We don't even stand united! Whenever you look like a paranoid lunatic to get someone to de-google, whenever you boycott scum, whenever you pay extra to buy from upstanding companies, remember: first, there are all those people who don't care, and second, there are all those people proud to do the opposite to make sure you get fucked because they hate you. The odds are clear, the system is rigged.

I feel like it doesn't matter whether we'll remember where they stood, we'll be forgotten soon enough.

Do the right thing, for no reason other than because it's right. Just don't expect that to mean anything, is what I've learned.

Yeah, it's an English-speaking majority platform, so English chart it is. Can't remember non-English pronouns being relevant in any recent discussion. This one solves the (most) relevant problem (for most users).

That said, we have a similar problem with language limitations here and all "solutions" sound ridiculous.