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With a bidge like the guy below said. I think the owner of de Discord server needs to set it up tho, and I don't run any Discord servers, so I don't know the details. But I noticed sone servers do it.

EU is working on a law to make than mandatory actually, but they'll allow the industry to first try to come up with a standard (which takes time, but not having a specific standard set in law is better in the way that future developments don't need a law change. That would make EU quite backwards with the rest of the world as technology betters overtime but our law would prohibit them from using new techniques).

If they don't, EU will enforce one however. That to prevent an endless fight where everyone wants their standard to be the new standard.

A good example of all those points is how all phones needed to get the same connector to reduce waist and stop overpricing of propietary cables. Then, everyone went to micro-usb and later USB-C. Besides Apple, the only one refusing to budgr. Apple will now be forced to switch to USB-C in Europe as the EU went over to the enforce part because of this.

At the same time, if they back then put in law that it needed to be micro-usb instead of lefting the industry decide, it may have gone faster. But the transition into USB-C might not have happened due to the law locking it to micro-usb.

Exactly that. Privacy, and in extension of that wanting nothing to do with Meta. I think the key lies in making it a me-problem rather than them-problem. I never told them they need to stop using it nor gave them a lecture about privacy, just that I was no longer on it. And that they could reach me on Signal and SMS, or just call. If they wánt I can discuss privacy with them, but only if théy want to.

As I said, it was a slow process and most people felt it was unnecesary to install another app so they just used SMS. But over time, not being able to send images (MMS services are down with most providers here) or not having group chats made some install Signal after all. And the more did, the easier the rest followed. My grandpa was indeed the first. Not for any tech or privacy reason, but because as a typical grandfather, he cares more about chatting with his grandchild than how many apps he has. He's more the "it says I need another app, so just press install" type that ends up with tons of bloatware 🥴.

You cannot force people to care about privacy, and trying to will generally make them just get annoyed with you. They also all still use WhatsApp next to it as well. But, every chat that's moved over to Signal is improvement, and everyone who has both still increases the userbase which increases the appeal of Signal. Small steps are still improvements, and more than you get by arguing over it.

I'm also not sure if I'd count SMS worse than WhatsApp. Sure it's send plain text, but someone would need to intercept it before it get's read and used. Wheras with WhatApp, you know Meta will intercepts whatever they can. And their app is propietary + you have no proof about their encryption. For all you know, they may have a copy of your key, or process it locally before encrypting. Wouldn't be the first time Meta crosses the legal line far and only get's caught years later if ever. Their track-record isn't exactly a "they'd never do that" one. Not to forget all other data outside of yohr messages that the apps gathers that my FOSS SMS app doesn't. I don't want that installed on my phone.

I already used Mastodon. In fact, I never used Reddit, but Lemmy was mentioned in some comnents in news related to it. Since I also never really used Twitter but liked Mastodon, I figured I'll give it a try.

I like it so far, it works well enough for me. Time will tell how it goes later, it's only been a few days.

I know you cán post from your Mastodon account, but I still made a new acount for Lemmy. Partly because it's easier. I can't login to Jerboa with my Mastodon account (I did try), and Tusky isn't really made for Reddit like content. Also partly because I like seperation. I don't want my social media any more spagetti-like than my code (and I don't write spagetti code). Heck, I even have 3 different Mastodon accounts with different purposes because of that.

Would be cool and technically possible, but I doubt it will happen.

Big Tech throwing millions into marketing and vendor lock-ins vs OpenSource projects that are decentralised and often running on donations and goodwill. That's a very touch battle to win, especially when most people care more about ease of use and amount of possible followers than about privacy and decentralisation.

Mastodon grew, but only took a tiny slice of Twitter and half of Mastodon are bots or people who crosspost to both. I expect the same to happen to Lemmy/Reddit, and any other SNS that goes this direction.

I'm content with a stable and active niche group of SNSs. Hopefully the open source and decentralisation aspects can prevent it from dying and going to the next SNS as the big ones tend to do. Which cóúld be as people can make newer applications that work with the old ones as long as it all runs on ActivityPup. I feel it's the most realistic way of thinking.

But maybe I'm just too pessimistic. Even the biggest people in tech stuggle to predict the future of it. So who knows.

I wasn't a Reddit user really, so I might come from a different angle than others. I wasn't a big fan of Twitter but I liked Mastodon, so when I heard about Lemmy I figured I'd give it the same chance.

So far I'm liking it. Communities are active in most cases, and stuff works. Maybe not the most easy way when getting started, but it does work. For me that's generally fine, I'm a functionality over form person (as in, can I do it matters more than is it pretty and easy breasy). But I can see people's point in wanting a sleeker experience.

Mainly using Lemmy on phone, using Jerboa and again, it works fine. But also here, I never used Reddit so I'm not used to fancy clients yet.

I'm only worried about a few older communities that where inactive for years now coming back to life. Mainly the modding situation, as those mods might not come back to (at least) hand it over to new people, locking the place into a wild west. A way to hand over moderation in those cases where mods have been inactive for years could prove useful..

I don't think that's how it works. Based on how federetion/Fediverse/ActivityPup works in general and what the devs have said so far (because I'm honestly been too lazy to check the code of Lemmy myself).

While accounts on lemmy.ml would be wiped, content would still exist trough other servers that federated with it (ever noticed how those servers have their own URL to stuff they federated with under their domain with the community after the /?). If I react to something on lemmy.ml, it doesn't even cost lemmy.ml much bandwidth. It costs feddit.nl (my home instance) bandwidth.

That's also the point if decentralisation. Not only if a instance becomes shit can you go to another and continue interacting, also if an instance dissapears it's content is still available. It stops anyone from having a monopoly on the data, and with no one in ultimate power no one can abuse that power. Even the code is open source, so if the devs add stupid shit, hosters of instances can just not use that code or even edit stuff as they like.

Otherwise, your instance matter for rules and juristriction. Your privacy, and what laws and regulations are covering your Lemmy account, are all determend by thát more than Lemmy as a whole. Technically, Lemmy is just hosting software like NextCloud. What else is running on that server, who owns it, where does it stand physically, and how it's managed are what matters. And if you trust no one, you can host it yourself.

Also, I think I read somewhere the devs where working on account migration. But don't pin me on that.

For me the same but the first three instead, and any platform. I've spend a large part of my childhood on these, and still do. So much nostalgia. In certain ways, they feel more difficult than many adult-targeted games that release nowadays, making them never a bore either. I got them on PC, PS1, and PS2 (as they're all different).

This 100%.

I don't think that's true. By now, my whole family and almost all my friends are on Signal. Only a few of them are into IT to start with, let alone privacy. In my family, it was my not exactly tech-savvy grandpa that came to Signal first after I quit WhatsApp! When I quit WhatsApp most of them first went with SMS, but overtime they switched to Signal because it's easier. After a year pretty much everyone is over.

Really, all it takes is someone who's on there but not on WhatsApp (or whatever is the norm around you). Most people don't care much about privacy, and won't switch if they don't have to. But neither do they care much for installing another app if it benefits them (in this case, the benefit was easier chatting with me). Even less they care if that app is Telegram or Signal, especiallly if they use neither already.

And no, I didn't fight with any of my family or friend, nor did I loose contact with anyone I cared about in the process. If you handle quiting WhatsApp with a bit of tact and respect, no decent human being will hate you. Just don't be a jerk about it, but that counts for anything...

Matrix might be a bit more complex, but Signal is really not thát much trouble with "friends outside the privacy niche" other than that they have no need for it (a need which would be created by you switching to it).

For one, open source solutions tend to be better coded, as there is more passion and less underpaid IT under heavy pressure to release asap.

For seconds, there are many servers, so it's less reliant on one systems performance.

And third, but not least important. Way less users, meaning way less bandwidth usage. Time will tell if speed stays the same when the amount of users increases significantly.

Personally, I'm sticking to Lemmy and Mastodon for now. I like things seperated. Heck, I even have 3 different Mastodon accounts for different purposes.

I wasn't a fan wel YT and insta started doing short videos alla TikTok. I wasn't a fan of stories in my chat app. Etc etc.

Now I quit using most conventional SNS ages ago, and never used others. But I still feel the same way. Luckily, the good thing of decentralised stuff is that it uses the same protocol, and I can still interact with people who do want everything in one place and use kbin while I don't have to.