Salem

How many children have died? Was it 10k or higher?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

The evidence is overwhelming that denial propaganda has to ignore or discourage people from investigating into the claims. It isn't just the scale of catastrophic damage but the rhetoric of Israeli politicians, media, micro-celebrities in Israel, and the entire society espousing genocidal rhetoric on social media, interviews, and public statements. Netanyahu quoting Amalek was the huge and first red flag for special rapporteur Francesca Albanese, but even recently ministers like Smotritch claiming "it'd be a good, moral, righteous thing to let 2 million people starve but 'the world won't let us'. "

Francis appointed 80% of the current cardinals, I think. It is something to take solace into at least

oh , yeah sorry. meant to put it in the general thread

I assume it means being so divorced from the material conditions and struggles of religious, ethnic, and racial minorities that they are invisible because being white (and wealthy, insulated) means they are in a privileged and sheltered position where those problems are invisible, ghosts, and relics of a bygone era.

It gave me a Food Wars with Tower of Druaga kind of anime vibe when I first saw it come out but I'll switch to it.

Israel feels it has no choice to finish its genocide in Gaza, and the Palestinians there that have no where else to go or have not bought their way out, are willing (perhaps resigned is a better term) to be martyred there. Wars have two phases, the combat itself and the brokering of peace.

After the war, there will be investigations, estimations. The vanity of Israel is the belief their country will return to normalcy. But no matter how well Israel tries to hide the carnage, even if it bars the international community from investigating, the census numbers won't lie.

There will be fewer Palestinians in Gaza and people will be affirmed of conclusions already drawn; indeed, action would have been taken had we a nominally functional liberal democracy. But because the state is already heavily suppressing and destroying the ideology of liberal democracy to protect Israel and its campaign of genocide, it proves that resistance and protest are working because the US state is forced to abandon its facade of liberalism to ensure its commitment to empire. It also proves that the current mode of protest and demonstration has to persist and expand into economic boycotts, sanctions, and social humiliation.

Israel's post-genocidal society may mirror states like the 19th century US or post-communist purge Indonesia where their killers and genocidaires are sanctified and glorified. But their society is stained with the genocide and people won't forget what we saw Israel, the US, and the West did.

History is made, and you are right to hold this view point that Israel's defeat, admonishment, or punishment are not set in stone but there in lies the question: what is to be done? I think (hope, rather) BDS will be the focus and gain momentum to do what violence did not accomplish.

Eventually the Earth will go as the universe goes: cold, dark, and extinct.

If there was anything transcendent and special in the universe, it was humanity.

And even as the pain of those whom have died at the hands of nature and humanity blinds us and bleeds us, we have to remember they once lived, had loved, had lost, and had their own quirks (looking at you Ea-Nasir).

When the Judeans became Jews of the Diaspora, as Rome took their kingdom, they decided to fight their own extinction by preserving their heritage in literature and religious practice. That despite losing a kingdom, they never lost their home nor God.

There will always be hope for Palestinian people as long as they continue to cling to life.

Europe and the US's governments will be eager to re-normalize but this open, broadcasted, and brazen genocide isn't something most Americans and Europeans in those areas are letting go. The activists are not fizzling down, they are being clamped down with state power and the lie of liberal democracy is becoming more and more apparent that it parallels liberal meme-ery about communist nations. "Are we the Baddies" is a real and prevailing sentiment.

I don't know how this genocide will unfold, perhaps (God forbid) if Israel succeeds in cleansing the Gaza strip and West Bank, Israel will be faced in the future with cataclysmic climate change that fully dries up the Fertile Crescent and desalination plants become incapable of holding up water demand.

Perhaps Israel will remain an international social pariah to the extent that Israelis will migrate and repatriate themselves outward from the country because no one wants to invest their wealth, time, and labor into Israel.

Don't forget that Algeria was occupied for more than a century, that it is also called the country of a million martyrs. Or that the medieval kingdom of Jerusalem was extant for 180+ years too.

No one's history or lives are over.

There will always be hope that a world may exist for a single generation, one of peace with the presence of justice.

Unfortunately this is not the era where decades happen in weeks.

On how leftists once complained how nothing ever happens, the truth is that the state is actively and preemptively suppressing, jailing, and killing activists, compromising organizers, and defanging any liberal challengers to their hegemony.

Where liberals used to mock East European communist states of being police states with secret police that jail and destroy you without a fair trial, that has now come to pass in a brazen and open manner even against the racially protected castes in the US. Where protests used to mean something, the ruling class can now ignore and be indifferent to those movements, and have now elected to spy and violently remove protesters and their organizers with threats of 10+ years in prison and/or deportation.

The truth of the matter is that even millions of people protesting against Trump, or the federal government will not be enough. It has to take coherent and stated goals that bring an existential crisis and danger to the American public. That notion being, this government will kill and destroy our way of life beyond mere inconvenience .

The doomer this post evokes out of us is the remnant of fantasy that liberalism means anything at all. That international law, collaboration, human rights, and liberties and freedoms that the liberal world order evoked, extolled, and rhetorically imported were going to overcome (or at the least be useful in combating) barbarism, depravity, and oppression. That the world would get eventually better.

Your post's resignation into despair reminded me of this post from 2020's Floyd protests/uprising in r/communism:

Contrary to the liberal worldview, we are not merely in a state of misalignment or misunderstanding. Rather, we understand one another perfectly, and exist in a state of conflict against one another. The middle ground between us collapses like an engulfed McDonalds..."

If you've read Lenin's literature, Marx, or Mao, you'll find that these communists view the world in the same way the ruling class does: cynically, dryly, and without mercy. The question is, what is to be done about it.

Sharing Katz's statement across the internet and in real world social spaces will prove to sway people on the fence. And unfortunately with heavy media censorship, obfuscation, and disparagement there will be people on the fence. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence, which both hurts and helps Israel's case - because there is so much to choose from it almost is surreal - so it's important to point out, highlight, and prove Israeli government minister and legislator's quotes, threats, and public policies.

It is important to point out that Israel's withholding of food, water, fuel, and electricity, and letting disease and starvation run rampant is consistent with their open stated public policy, and it is important to mention the West Bank is also under apartheid and ethnic cleansing despite Hamas not being there.