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I feel like I wrote this post from time to time on Reddit and I think I'll start this tradition here. I'm. a Honor Harrington fan. I've read several other space operas and they always fall short. The three that came close were Lt. Leary, Kris Longknife and Vorkosigan saga. Lt. Leary was nice, but it failed on World building. Kris Longknife also failed on world building and had astronomical levels of cringe with aliens and plot, but I enjoyed it. Vorkosigan saga had better world building and it was nice overall, but the books without Miles Vorkosigan weren't enjoyable. There were other series that I enjoyed: Serrano Legacy, Vatta's War (those are some of my favorites but they were too short), Starship's mage (it declines with every new book), The Lost Fleet (it has a serious plot problem, the plot doesn't move forward), Old Man's War (it was really nice), Dread Empire Fall (also awesome), Teixcalaan (good, but short), Alarm of War (good, but short and pretty generic), Bobbiverse (I read until book 3, it isn't for me), Red Rising 1st trilogy (really nice, but too Hunger Gamish, this whole dividing society into a cast system is getting old), Ark Royal. The Three Body Problem was awesome and, contrary to most series, didn't leave me craving more after it was over. Edit: forgot to mention The Expanse, it was OK.

I think that what won me over on HH was the fact that she is a complete Mary Sue and other character don't fall far from the tree, there is a nice world building, characters die, and there is a ton of action.

On the other hand, there are some long books that I enjoy that aren't space operas. I really enjoy the Dresden Files (because he is cool and it is a long series), I absolutely love Jack Reacher (it is just a nice fun read, it's like a nice Big Mac), I also enjoy The Spellmonger series, and I enjoyed the Riyria. I disliked Takeshi Kovacs (lack of sequence and plot) and I absolutely hate Southern Reach (VanderMeer), and there is another popular sci-fi book that is written as a report, which I also hated. I don't like those very innovative mystery stories where you are trying to figure out wtf is going on or waiting for a plot to start until the middle of the book.

Got any suggestions? =)

(OMG, after writing this post, I see myself as an incredible hard reader to please)

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[–] Qualanqui@lemmy.nz 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No love for Iain M Banks? The Culture series looks like it will tick all your boxes and instead of following a single protagonist the Culture itself is the protagonist so each book has it's own cast of interesting characters.

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[–] A_Wild_Zeus_Chase@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Two obvious suggestions are Frank Herbert’s “Dune” series, and Issac Asimov’s “Foundation” series.

Both are sci-fi classics (Dune is still the best selling sci-fi book of all time I believe) and are space operas of a massive scope.

They are also some of my personal favorites.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I also immensely enjoyed Asimov's "Robot" books. Three fun little whodunnit's set in an interesting universe.

[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

About four years ago, on a whim I decided to buy the entire Asimov scifi collection (inc short stories which I'm usually not keen on). Really surprised me how prescient and creative he was, considering how long ago it was written.

He has a really 'comfy' writing style, only way I can explain it... trying to read some hard scifi afterwards was a bit of a slog. Like a reading version of wading through treacle.

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[–] ShitpostCentral@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge. I liked the prequel, A Deepness in the Sky even more.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I loved anything Vinge put out. Always good reading.

[–] Weirdmusic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Vinge is probably my favourite SiFi author. Incredibly well paced and populated stories

[–] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago

Fantastic book, I had no clue there was a prequel. I must acquire this.

[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

If you like Star Wars (original trilogy, that is), I'd recommend Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn. I can also recommend his Conquerer's trilogy and Cobra series.

I liked The Lost Fleet, personally. The space battles are excellent, and they're quick reads. Agreed about the plot, though, it takes a while. Worth it overall IMO.

You might consider the Iron Druid series, too. It's written in a lighter tone than the Dresden Files, but it's got a similar vibe.

You might check out Dead Witch Walking by Kim Harrison, too. It's another urban fantasy with an interesting world premise. I struggle a little to recommend it -- I lost interest fairly quickly, but if you don't mind some romance in your urban fantasy, you might like it more than I did. And if you do like it, it's a long series, over a dozen books!

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I really like Neal Asher's books. Sprawling long series (what is the plural of series?) and so good.

Was recommended the Children of Time books, am halfway through the first and WOW. I love it.

[–] PCurd@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago

Plural of series is series, if that helps.

[–] Cmot_Dibbler@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Children of time was amazing. What a unique, interesting concept. The following books were good too but for me didn't live up to the first one. Which is okay, i still liked all of them.

[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Dan Simmons - Hyperian ~~K~~Cantos. Four books in the series, well worth a read imo... I loved it

Adrian Tchaikovsky - Children of Time / Children of Ruin / Children of Memory (not read the third but am sure it'll be as good as the first two)

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[–] karmiclychee@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

It's not one of the Culture novels, but The Algebraist by Iain Banks is one of my favorite one book cover to cover operas.

[–] timetravelingnoodles@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Pandora’s Star and the sequel Judas Unchained by Peter F Hamilton

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[–] BongRipsMcGee420@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reality Dysfunction, Hyperion, Red Rising, Dune, The Expanse, Foundation, The Mote in God's Eye

[–] IronRain@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The Expanse and Red Rising series is exactly what he's looking for! Also the Bobbiverse is a decent addition!

[–] Cmot_Dibbler@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Even if you don't think you're into Warhammer 40k you should check out the books. There's 100's of them and are actually very good. I put them off for a long time because i thought they'd just be battle porn. They are well written with compelling narratives, great characters, a sprawling galaxy full of different aliens and factions, and of course the aforementioned war porn.

If you are hesitant like i was, i recommend starting with the first three books in the Horrus Heresy. There's like 40 something of them but the first three you could read and put down satisfied without continuing if you wanted.

I always list the three books out for people because there's so many it's easy to get lost looking for them.

Horrus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames

As for a non-opera book, I highly recommend Seven Eves. I don't think i saw it in your post. But you had a long list so forgive me if i missed it. It's one book, pretty long though and one of my GOATS.

[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

I second this. I've never played or painted, but I'm fascinated by the universe, and it is LONG. I'm just now finishing the prequel series (the Horus Heresy) which is over 50 books long (and some extra short stories). The main universe has 500 or something books.

I listen to audiobooks on the way to work, and used to do the same on the way to school, so I go through books very quickly.

[–] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I started reading the Gaunt's Ghosts series of books (I found a recommendation on some 40K subreddit a few years back). Some of them are really interesting with politics and (fantasy) tactics. Others are artificially bleak and evil, which lead me to stop. At one point it felt like the author had started retconning a minor character to be some crazy evil murderer, almost as if the publisher went "needs more bleak", and it really boiled my gills. I didn't feel like this character did anything other than cause random unhappiness and excuses to kill off characters; at no point did it tie into the plot or serve any proper purpose.

Oh and these books are stupidly expensive to get even second hand. I've also never succeeded at finding any in charity shops. For some honest and innocent reason my copies seem to have very bad OCR, but you get used to it.

[–] Kayel@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Alastair Reynolds - Revelation space i.e. Inhibitor sequence

Peter F Hamilton - Void trilogy in the Commonwealth universe

[–] givitashot@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I absolutely love Hamilton's Commonwealth universe! Pandora's Star then Judas Unchained, then the void trilogy followed up by The Abyss Beyond Dreams. I've read all of them 3 times and thinking of doing a 4th round soon!

I've also seen House of Suns mentioned here a few times. It gets my vote for the exploration of deep time due to the speed limits of causality.

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[–] ser@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

+1 for both authors.

Hamilton has great characters and great sci-fi.

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[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

John Scalzi's Old Man's War series was a long and pretty interesting read.

Premise starts out as a "humanity vs the stars" kind of story, but instead of sending young people to their deaths, the futuristic human society instead recruits old people who have already lived full lives. You can enlist towards the end of your natural life to transfer your mind to a (photo)synthetic purpose-built humanoid super soldier body. If you survive a period of time (5 years?), you earn another shot at life and can elect to become a colonist for far away worlds. Most don't get that far. Your usual "long-term relationship tensions," "humans are always bad guys," "what will technology think of next?" tropes apply.

Another series I liked is the Castle Federation series by Glynn Stewart.

This series spans a much shorter timeframe throughout its books but contains much more civil-war type political intrigue and seems to focus more on an important battle or two per book. As such, you get a more granular view of one starship officers experiences from the unit level up to the fleet. Tactics, deception, and an almost constant state of Pyrrhic victories help to make you feel like you aren’t simply following around a grand hero figure who is the unspoken savior of the galaxy. I don’t really remember how the series starts, but it’s mostly (or all) human-vs-human conflicts.

Last series I enjoyed is the Frontlines storyline by Marko Kloos.

In contrast to the stories above, it’s humans (mostly) good, aliens bad. A dystopian future is rocked by the sudden appearance of monolithic and seemingly invincible stegosaurus-like alien beings. They show up, terraform your world with CO2, and brush off humanity like we’re ants. You follow a few main characters who give you insight to how the big governments operate, how soldiers are thrown into unwinnable conflicts, and how freedom fighters back home protest against the majority of humanity’s production efforts going towards war while ignoring the problems at home. There’s a good mix of hopeless alien combat, human conflict and frustration towards the military industrial complex, Judge Dredd-like slums, and some anthropology thrown into the mix. Facing an existential threat, would you throw everything at offense and let your people starve?

[–] valen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

What? No love for the Pern books by Anne McCaffrey? I love em. Gotta love genetically engineered dragons.

[–] Robbeee@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Simon R. Greens Deathstalker series is pretty much what you're describing. Very much space opera, melodramatic and big on action. They're not incredibly well written but lots of fun.

[–] Marruk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Don't let the cover art discourage you.

[–] Weirdmusic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

How about the Uplift series by David Brin? Start with Sundiver

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Revelation Space.

Niven's Ringworld series

Foundation?

[–] becool@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Revelation Space! Yes, yes, yes! Pick them up and don't look back.

[–] brianorca@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Ringworld (3) series plus the Fleet of Worlds (5) series.

[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Helliconia trilogy might be worth looking into. It's pretty unique in the genre.. It's not deeply political though if that's what you're looking for. The main character is essentially the planet itself and how the global society of people living on that planet changes over centuries. The seasons on the planet last hundreds of years too so it's adds some interesting evolutionary survival ideas in there.

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[–] jo3shmoo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

The Saga of Seven Suns by Kevin J. Anderson. It's a huge favorite across our family.

[–] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago

Thankyou DoisBigo, I didn't know other people liked Kris Longknife and Honor Harrington. I pickup random space operas from charity stores -- which if their shelves are any metric then it seems my entire country wants to read nothing but stories about ordinary people on earth; good stuff is few and far between.

Hal Spacejock is good. I found the second book first, it was a hoot (opening: robot on the spaceship panics after making a mistake, wipes its own memory so nothing can be proven, the ship then starts failing and the robot assumes the captain must be at fault for poor maintenance). Some surreal space-opera travel scenes across planets towards the end mixed in with lots of humour.

"Revelation Space" by Alastair Reynolds was definitely interesting. At times a bit stretched out, but it had some cool concepts in it (like safely arresting your fall down an elevator shaft by reversing the thrust of an entire spaceship). Scale was insane (crazy time & space) but then it all focuses on a few smaller points, which felt a bit too distilled for what felt like a big universe moments before. Characters were 50/50 and I didn't enjoy some of their arcs, but the others were good.

A few months back I finished "Crystal Healer" (the dodgiest book title ever if you didn't know it was a space opera) by S.L. Viehl. I remember almost nothing from it, except a hot cat-woman that was enslaved to the main character. No mental staying power whatsoever, but I think I enjoyed reading it.

I recently found a book on my shelf "War Games" by Brian Stableford. I thought I hadn't read this. I opened the first page and found:

2013-02-25 I want to crush this novel. Why? ... because the author did not write a sequel.

No idea what it's about :D

Thankyou everyone in this topic for suggestions. If you want any of the books I mention then just poke me, it's better I send them to someone else rather than let them sit on my shelf forever. I'm in Australia.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Have you read any of Alastair Reynolds's books?

House of Suns, while just a single book, felt like it had one of the biggest universes I'd ever read a story set in, and is my favorite sci-fi book, ever.

For something bigger, look into his Revelation Space series. It's a bunch of books, some connected, some not, all set in the same universe.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Children Of Time Trilogy.

Amazing books that explore topics like Consciousness and Intelligence from angles you wouldn't expect

[–] cevn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I just finished the second book. We’re going on an adventure…

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Have you read Hannu Rajaniemis Jean le Flambeur series?

It's a very high concept narrative, that begins with our main character being broken out of a simulated prison, where he is forced to play endless games of the prisoners dilemma, against endless copies of himself and other prisoners.

It continues on to tell a story set within our solar system, that's complex on levels that can be hard to keep up with at times.

In this universe, where people end and software begins, is blurred, and the same is true for the edge between reality and simulation.

Some people are doomed to exist and be used as mere software for completing complex tasks, while others step through matter-conversion gates between the real and simulated on a regular basis.

I really, really loved it.

[–] MoonManKipper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I strongly second this one - they’re great

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The Three Body problem is a an absolutely phenomenal take on the Dark Forest Theory.

It has the unfortunate quality of reading like a news article at times, recounting events, rather than feeling like an illustrated narrative. And some plot points hinge on the authors pre-conceived notions about gender that really didn't sit well with me.

[–] karmiclychee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ooh, another operatic that comes to mind: 2312 by Kim Stanley Robinson

[–] karmiclychee@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

MOAR: Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee

Not too long ago I did a deep dive for non white male authors (as much as I love Asimov and Iain Banks) and it was really rewarding. Ann leckie, Kameron Hurley, Becky Chambers, Nnedi Okorafor, Lindsay Buroker, to name some, are all good for a spaceship. Strongly suggest NK Jemesin's Broken Earth, which isn't spaceships, but still great. It's been a bit, but I remember enjoying Samuel Delaney's Nova, as well.

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 years ago

The Imperial Radch Trilogy by Ann Leckie

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