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[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I had such a hard time explaining to someone today that there is no universal set of Lemmy rules/politics and you can run your own instance with literally 0 rules

people have forgotten that things can exist outside of the few billionaire/trillionaire closed source walled gardens they've become so reliant on

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[–] raubarno@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

For the past three years dessalines and I have been funded to work on Lemmy full-time by generous support from the NLnet foundation. These donations are paid out when we implement certain new features. But now we are busy answering questions, reviewing pull requests and urgentlyfixing problems. That means we are unable to work on the milestones agreed with NLnet, and won’t receive payments from them.

:(

[–] christian@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's upsetting to see the shit-talking because I imagine reading that nonsense is emotionally draining, especially when you're already stressed out with a billion things to do. I've seen you guys active in the lemmy community for years and you've always been wonderful. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the work you two have put in and are currently putting in. I'm really happy that your project is starting to catch on.

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[–] wiki_me@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For us maintainers (dessalines and nutomic), it has resulted in an endless stream of questions and notifications, which is impossible to keep up with. Previously there were 5 - 10 Github notifications per day; now they have risen to over 100 daily.

That is what i was worried about, Feedback for developers probably correlates with the number of active users , more users mean more feedback (github issues and comments) and more stuff to read, I thought this might not be a problem because i looked at mastodon and didn't see a lot of issues getting opened in a day, but it's the comments that could be the real problem, unless you will improve your funding and start hiring more people (even temporarily hiring freelancers) things will probably get worst and you will lose a lot of good feedback.

We are increasingly reliant on user donations to pay our bills. These donations currently add up to 1500 Euros per month, which is not even enough to pay minimum wage for the two of us. Hopefully more users can consider donating, so that we can put our full attention to making Lemmy better for everyone, and possibly add more developers to our worker co-op in the future.

looking at liberapay , patreon and opencollective my calculation says you are getting about 4465 dollars (2714+217.58*4.345+806) when this comment was written , that's about 0.15 dollar per active user (assuming about 28K monthly active users).

For comparison beehaw has about 3069 monthly active users and got this month (6/1/2023 -> 6/17/2023) about $3,461.60 ( 1.12 dollar per user, probably better then reddit for most of it's history).

So i am pretty sure the problem is with getting funding (most people are not aware of the option to donate, or/and are not convinced or incentived to do it). Lemmy should work on it's conversation rate.

If you are interested, i worked for a while on a guide to help fund open source and got some good feedback on it, maybe you will find it useful.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

From what I've seen, the fediverse generally is doing a rather poor job of normalising donations from users. If you have some expertise or experience in this domain, and are willing, I'd urge you to just get involved and gather people or whatever you can to create better tools or design patterns or strategies for this.

I suspect there's trepidation from developers to get to "pushy" with donations and so turn off their user base, and yet they don't really no how to go about it well and so it just becomes a lost issue when in reality it is central to a "free" fediverse.

I also worry that getting this right earlier rather than later is important. As people join the fediverse, they absorb the culture, norms and design language of the place. The earlier donations are just a normal part of things, the sooner they're actually normalised.

[–] spirit@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (19 children)

On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

[–] andobando@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Nothing here says he's a fascist. His "genocide denial" stance stems mostly from the idea of being anti-capitalist and not trusting US-centric sources. Its not entirely without merit. Noam Chomsky for example is accused of the same thing for the Pol Pot genocide, though at the time he was right for the same reasons -- accusations started flying in the US based on completely banal sources.

I used to be like this, its not entirely harmful. And in any case, I don't give a shit about his politics. We should be thinking about how to separate peoples politics from the platform, and the work hes done on Lemmy does exactly that.

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[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

So um, no one on the face of this earth hates fascism more than a communist, the evidence you dug up only seems to reinforced the not a fascist and its utterly rediculous to call us that.

[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

None of what you linked supports any of the claims that they are a genocide supporter or a fascist, if that's what you tried to show (in fact you proved the complete opposite on the latter).

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Your point being?

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[–] patryk@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What is the best way to donate to lemmy? According to this article it's Liberapay. Is that true?

[–] Jomn@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Yes liberapay doesn't take any commission.

[–] Kuvwert@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (11 children)

God I appreciate these dudes. I don't envy them one bit right now...

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[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

This is extremely well written. Anyone that supports and wants to see this platform thrive should share this in response to the people spreading nonsense with the goal of seeing it fail and upholding the corporate status quo.

[–] Oxossi@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Thanks for all you've done and is still doing.

[–] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just made a donation on Liberapay, thanks for everything that you've done!

[–] TylerBourbon@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Same. I also ent ahead and became a regular patreon giver. Only 10 a month but its far better than buying some dumbass blue check or waiting for reddit to do the same since the CEO clearly loves him some Elon.

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[–] scrollbars@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

It's not much but I upped my contributions a bit. Thank you for everything you've done for the open, non-corporate internet.

[–] ZeroCarbon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

You guys are doing a fantastic work. Congrats on creating such a cool project like Lemmy.

[–] Jedi@bolha.social 3 points 2 years ago
[–] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I'm in it for the long haul, the first federated service I've used that felt like a true replacement for it's centralized counterpart.

[–] iie@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you for all your work.

[–] Fickle_Ferret@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you for doing this

[–] testman@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

post it to Mastodon with LemmyDev account

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[–] dystop@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago
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