Time to De-Google I guess. I will keep using Firefox and if or when I come across any website pulling this crap I won't hesitate to blast them to eternity. I suggest everyone else do the same please.
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Time was a decade ago... But better now than never.
With that kind of attitude, it's a wonder no one listened to you a decade ago!
Lol. As soon as I heard someone upload their contacts to Google I thought "welp, I'm out." And yeah, no one listened then either.
Still, we got diaspora working finally. May the force be with you.
I've been converting folks where I can! I work in IT for a huge corporation, so our computers all come pre-loaded with Firefox set as the default browser haha.
And with you!
I cringe when I remember willingly filling out my contacts list like it was nobody's business. I'm so sorry, friends and acquaintances. :(
I’m just going to stop using sites that implement this tech. Maybe I’ll even make a site and actually contribute to the web with all the free time I’ll have 😇
It'll be next to impossible when those websites are your bank and Netflix etc.
Not using Netflix is very possible :) Even easier with the pricing they are up to lately.
(But I know you were just listing some examples)
I figured that banks would use it so I have a browser for them and there are alternatives to Netflix that don’t have any drm.
It's small, but here's a real actionable item that you can do to help:
Put a gentle "Use Firefox" (or any other non-Chromium-based browser) message on your website. It doesn't have to be in-your-face, just something small. I've taken my own advice and added it to my own website: https://geeklaunch.io/ (Only appears in Chromium-based browsers.)
We can slowly turn the tide, little by little.
Copy and paste:
<p>
This site is designed for <a href="https://firefox.com/">Firefox</a>,
a web browser that respects your privacy.
</p>
(I also posted this on the HN discussion.)
One way to hide it for Firefox users.
<p class="not-firefox-warning">
This site is designed for <a href="https://firefox.com/">Firefox</a>,
a web browser that respects your privacy.
</p>
<style>
@-moz-document url-prefix() { .not-firefox-warning { display: none; }}
</style>
Honestly this won't effect me a ton, though I wouldn't be surprised if I have to boot up a windows virtual machine just to check my bank in a few years cause my bank doesn't know what Linux is and doesn't want go trust it. I'm mad about it but given slowly but surely I've been replacing everything with FOSS stuff. I just fear one day they will force you to use corpo approved software to use WiFi , or get cell service
It will likely not work inside a VM. Haven't looked into the implementation, but they will probably want to use the hardware DRM manufacturers have been sneaking into the CPUs and GPUs.
So you will be required to use "approved" CPU, "approved" OS and "approved" browser to access certain websites, as it is already the case with online streaming. You can kiss foss goodbye.
Entirely separate laptop purely for those annoying sites it is, then. At least until the approval inevitably gets cracked and can be bypassed.
IE in the 2000's called, it wants it's dream back.
Between this, hobbling adblockers and performing enough monopolistic acts to warrant swift government action, I really see this more as Chrome dying than the web itself.
So this is a problem for all browsers based on Chromium right???
No, it is a problem for all browsers, present and future, period.
The point is that major websites, even government ones might decide to be only available on Chrome.
So much for internet freedom…
ELI5 Anyone?
You will use the web as google said or you won't use it at all.
Google is underestimating my ability to drink all day and forget the internet entirely.
Ah but what you don't remember is when you're drunk you go on the Internet and stumble around and talk incoherently
How to kill 3% of your userbase: implement DRM
Sadly likely close to the truth...
But this is the 3% that sets trends. I am sure most of us were biggest google simps 10-15 years ago... no so nowadays.
Maps and youtube are only products i have not kicked... yet
DRM for the web.
Basically, if your browser modifies a web page in any way (such as by blocking ads, applying a theme, disabling javascript, whatever), the server would be able to detect this and deny access.
Google is pushing some bullshit that would allow websites to check if a client (you, your browser, your device) is on the okie-dokey list. If yes, you may enter e. g. Youtube, if not the you're out. It's like a bouncer for websites and of course Google would be that bouncer. So you might stand out in the rain if you are using one of the following:
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VPN
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Adblock
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Non-Chromium browser like Firefox
Website: Hello, Name and ID
Chrome: Hello! I'm Chrome by Google and here's my ID
Website: OK, you are allowed in.
Adblocker: Get Lost Ads!
Website: You leave right now, Goodbye
Although it's not just adblockers it's also uncertified browsers
Website: Hello, Name and ID.
Firefox: Hello I am Firefox and here's my ID.
Website: Your not on our list, GET LOST!
WEI checks your browser, your extensions and your OS to ensure that a site is not tampered with. Officially it's to make sure that sites don't have to deal as much with bots.
Too bad that many of us use adblockers to protect us from malicious ads or remove ads to make a website bearable. Google also happens to distribute ads which makes the fact that adblockers likely won't work anymore a very concenient coincidence they totally didn't have in mind.
It's also possible that non-Chromium browsers (for example Firefox) will stop working due to them either not supporting WEI or not being considered legitimate by whoever will do the checks.
It is also completely contrary to the whole concept of html web design where the browser has complete control over fonts, spacing, discreet content display, etc, so that each user can consume the content in a way that works for them.
Is there anything a person can do about it, other than using Firefox and degoogling?