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[–] Gibberish9031@lemmy.ml 80 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Time to De-Google I guess. I will keep using Firefox and if or when I come across any website pulling this crap I won't hesitate to blast them to eternity. I suggest everyone else do the same please.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Time was a decade ago... But better now than never.

[–] _cerpin_taxt_@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

With that kind of attitude, it's a wonder no one listened to you a decade ago!

[–] brothershamus@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lol. As soon as I heard someone upload their contacts to Google I thought "welp, I'm out." And yeah, no one listened then either.

Still, we got diaspora working finally. May the force be with you.

[–] _cerpin_taxt_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I've been converting folks where I can! I work in IT for a huge corporation, so our computers all come pre-loaded with Firefox set as the default browser haha.

And with you!

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I cringe when I remember willingly filling out my contacts list like it was nobody's business. I'm so sorry, friends and acquaintances. :(

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[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m just going to stop using sites that implement this tech. Maybe I’ll even make a site and actually contribute to the web with all the free time I’ll have 😇

[–] Gibberish9031@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It'll be next to impossible when those websites are your bank and Netflix etc.

[–] MartianFox@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Not using Netflix is very possible :) Even easier with the pricing they are up to lately.

(But I know you were just listing some examples)

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[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I figured that banks would use it so I have a browser for them and there are alternatives to Netflix that don’t have any drm.

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[–] hatchet@sh.itjust.works 72 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's small, but here's a real actionable item that you can do to help:

Put a gentle "Use Firefox" (or any other non-Chromium-based browser) message on your website. It doesn't have to be in-your-face, just something small. I've taken my own advice and added it to my own website: https://geeklaunch.io/ (Only appears in Chromium-based browsers.)

We can slowly turn the tide, little by little.

Copy and paste:

<p>
    This site is designed for <a href="https://firefox.com/">Firefox</a>,
    a web browser that respects your privacy.
</p>

(I also posted this on the HN discussion.)

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Your browser supports Web-DRM. Some features might not be available.

[–] mac12m99@feddit.it 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This website does not support browsers that support web-drm

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[–] Anemervi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

One way to hide it for Firefox users.

<p class="not-firefox-warning">
    This site is designed for <a href="https://firefox.com/">Firefox</a>,
    a web browser that respects your privacy.
</p>
<style>
@-moz-document url-prefix() {  .not-firefox-warning { display: none; }}
</style>
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[–] Auster@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago (23 children)
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[–] skymtf@pricefield.org 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly this won't effect me a ton, though I wouldn't be surprised if I have to boot up a windows virtual machine just to check my bank in a few years cause my bank doesn't know what Linux is and doesn't want go trust it. I'm mad about it but given slowly but surely I've been replacing everything with FOSS stuff. I just fear one day they will force you to use corpo approved software to use WiFi , or get cell service

[–] whatsarefoogee@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It will likely not work inside a VM. Haven't looked into the implementation, but they will probably want to use the hardware DRM manufacturers have been sneaking into the CPUs and GPUs.

So you will be required to use "approved" CPU, "approved" OS and "approved" browser to access certain websites, as it is already the case with online streaming. You can kiss foss goodbye.

[–] livie@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 2 years ago

Entirely separate laptop purely for those annoying sites it is, then. At least until the approval inevitably gets cracked and can be bypassed.

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[–] spaceribs@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

IE in the 2000's called, it wants it's dream back.

Between this, hobbling adblockers and performing enough monopolistic acts to warrant swift government action, I really see this more as Chrome dying than the web itself.

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] nanometer@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

That's bleak

[–] 30isthenew29@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So this is a problem for all browsers based on Chromium right???

[–] maynarkh 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No, it is a problem for all browsers, present and future, period.

The point is that major websites, even government ones might decide to be only available on Chrome.

[–] 30isthenew29@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

So much for internet freedom…

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[–] JoumanaKayrouz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)
[–] sadreality@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You will use the web as google said or you won't use it at all.

[–] JoumanaKayrouz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Google is underestimating my ability to drink all day and forget the internet entirely.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Ah but what you don't remember is when you're drunk you go on the Internet and stumble around and talk incoherently

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[–] Ozzy@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How to kill 3% of your userbase: implement DRM

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Sadly likely close to the truth...

But this is the 3% that sets trends. I am sure most of us were biggest google simps 10-15 years ago... no so nowadays.

Maps and youtube are only products i have not kicked... yet

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

DRM for the web.

Basically, if your browser modifies a web page in any way (such as by blocking ads, applying a theme, disabling javascript, whatever), the server would be able to detect this and deny access.

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[–] Rayspekt@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Google is pushing some bullshit that would allow websites to check if a client (you, your browser, your device) is on the okie-dokey list. If yes, you may enter e. g. Youtube, if not the you're out. It's like a bouncer for websites and of course Google would be that bouncer. So you might stand out in the rain if you are using one of the following:

  • VPN

  • Adblock

  • Non-Chromium browser like Firefox

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[–] Jmr@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Website: Hello, Name and ID
Chrome: Hello! I'm Chrome by Google and here's my ID
Website: OK, you are allowed in.
Adblocker: Get Lost Ads!
Website: You leave right now, Goodbye

Although it's not just adblockers it's also uncertified browsers

Website: Hello, Name and ID.
Firefox: Hello I am Firefox and here's my ID.
Website: Your not on our list, GET LOST!

[–] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

WEI checks your browser, your extensions and your OS to ensure that a site is not tampered with. Officially it's to make sure that sites don't have to deal as much with bots.

Too bad that many of us use adblockers to protect us from malicious ads or remove ads to make a website bearable. Google also happens to distribute ads which makes the fact that adblockers likely won't work anymore a very concenient coincidence they totally didn't have in mind.

It's also possible that non-Chromium browsers (for example Firefox) will stop working due to them either not supporting WEI or not being considered legitimate by whoever will do the checks.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

It is also completely contrary to the whole concept of html web design where the browser has complete control over fonts, spacing, discreet content display, etc, so that each user can consume the content in a way that works for them.

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[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Is there anything a person can do about it, other than using Firefox and degoogling?

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