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NSFW instance lemmynsfw - drawn NSFW content (updated) (lemmynsfw.com)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by nude@kbin.social to c/RedditMigration@kbin.social

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Lets not beat around the bush here, lots of people like to look at boobs and dicks.

Lemmynsfw was looking like a good place to go, but reading the "Loli" announcement thread where they equate drawn child porn to petite women, its clear the owner is not the right person to be hosting a NSFW instance for the majority of people.

Is there anywhere else that people can recommend?

There is undoubtably a need for such an instance. Can we discuss this like adults?

edit: UPDATE

Take this update as you will

I'm taking it as a backtrack, but it's still not an instance I want to associate with.

Lots of people keen to offer their opinion of drawn picture of naked kids, haven't seen any alternatives though

Edit 2: At this point I think their updated rules are good. It took a bit to get there, but in the end they appear to be taking a hard stance. Hopefully this is enforced.

I dont think it was a case of "whoops bad English" like they are suggesting, I think it was a total 180 backflip. This doesnt really instill confidence in the admins IMO, but im happy that they have made the right decision in regards to allowed content. Hopefully this is was just some early wobblies and the community can move on.

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[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Beehaw was right to defederate many instances and so should we. Beehaw is crazy but not that crazy.

Defederate these instances, what are you so afraid of? Some people here are going full throttle on the freedom of blabla, don't listen to them. Ban this stuff, do you really want Kbin to be known as "this network"? Do you want this reputation? I don't. If you want more then register to another instance which accepts this stuff but don't drag all our infrastructure with you.

Federating this content puts the servers of Ernest in danger.

edit: downvote me more, I take it as a badge of honor because I know who it's coming from.

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see. the second something is defederated/blocked, it becomes a slippery slope of crying to block this or that, and taking away power from the users.

[–] BaconIsAVeg@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see.

There has to be a line though.

[–] nuttydepressor@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I saw this person defending exploding-heads (Nazi instance) earlier so I imagine the line looks much different for them than for you.

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[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

IMO, unless it's explicitly illegal, people should be free to share/say/discuss it. let people decide what they wish to see on their own and curate their own experience.

[–] Noodleneedles@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I believe illustrated child porn is illegal here in Canada, as well as other countries (not going to google it though). Seems like it isn't in the US? I find it kind of shocking that so many people don't see an issue with it, tbh.

[–] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Because here in the US marrying off children is normal.

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[–] ThatDamnFinnishGuy@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And which legal system would we be using here?

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

server host's laws. the goal being to avoid legal takedowns. I'm a free speech maximalist. The only thing that should ever be taken down IMO is nonconsensual nsfw photos/videos. So cp, revenge porn, deepfakes, etc. along with literal off-topic spam (spammy affiliate links).

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[–] Alexmitter@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is this you u/spez on some mission to destroy the federated world before it had a chance to grow up?

[–] borkcorkedforks@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

If that kind of content was allowed here I'd delete my account. No, one wants that kind of trouble.

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You wrote:

Guess other instances do not care regardless even if its correctly flagged and tagged and everything. I had a discussion about this topic with the mods of feddit.de, but they are firm to block whole instances if there is any NSFW community on it. No matter what. I am now on kbin and deleted my account there.

Why don't you open an account on one of those instance instead of pushing it in our throats?

[–] Alexmitter@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No one wants to shove petite Asian ladies into your throat. Just don't subscribe to those communities/magazines. That NSFW magazines appear in All is nothing but a technical issue.
Why the hell do you think having 5 accounts so you can subscribe to everything you want is acceptable.

[–] gmtom@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's always the fucking furries

[–] Alexmitter@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

🤡

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Everyone will note that you never address the pedo data ending up hosted by Ernest if we don't defederate. You never talk about that, it's always about you, you you. Well sorry for you but you are not alone and there are real-life implications to hosting this content.

This pedo content has nothing to do on this server.

Just don't subscribe to those communities/magazines.

No, YOU go out and get your illegal content from the source.

[–] scottgal@readit.buzz 8 points 2 years ago

It's true, drawn child porn is still child porn in many juristictions, e.g, in the UK it's explicitly prohibited. https://jd-solicitors.co.uk/guide-to-uk-pornography-laws/#:~:text=UK%20Child%20pornography%20laws&text=The%20first%20is%20indecent%20images,%2C%20and%20computer%2Dgenerated%20images
You can try and argue in court that the server you're legally responsible for hosting child porn is permitted but...good luck.

[–] Alexmitter@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No one here speaks about child pornography but you.

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go run your own instance, you will be able to federate with whoever you want. Your instance = your responsibility.

[–] Alexmitter@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Again, no one is talking about child porn beside you. Everything lemmynsfw allows is legal in any jurisdiction. And everything it disallows like Loli and shota is clearly something no one wants to see here on kbin or lemmy even if it is legal in many parts of the world. The line is right there and lemmynsfw never challaned it.

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What you say is wrong and people already explained to you why, you did not answer them.

This is not a game. This is real life with real consequences.

[–] Alexmitter@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What you say is wrong and people already explained to you why, you did not answer them.

Again, only you talk about child porn. To again give you the exact rules layed out:

-     loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.
-     IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit.
-     characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible.

I kinda suspect you are 14, because everyone else would have understood by now that banning all petite/young-looking actors in porn would kick out large parts of Asian actors from the industry. Shit like school-class role-playing is about the most usual stuff in Straigt Pornography on this planet and teen looking actors are among the most popular world wide in straight pornography. I had to literally research that, Gay men are usually not as knowledgeable on straight porn.

Again, loli and shora, aka drawn depiction of children or children-looking characters are banned.

This is not a game. This is real life with real consequences.

Yep, and the consequence you took out for you is looking like a prude online for no reason at all, making a elephant out of a mosquito.

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is really awkward to read. Keep this for yourself and stop talking to me.

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[–] aski3252@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Even from a legal perspective tolerating this stuff is a no-go.

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[–] blahaj@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (14 children)

That is wild, I made an account on there last night so I was curious to find the announcement post. Evidently lots of people are quite outraged. I also noticed as of a few minutes ago a clarification post has been made: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826

To quote:

I have so much respect for @yay@lemmynsfw.com but i can’t believe how poorly he wrote the update message, lol.

Here is what’s happening;

-     loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.
-     IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit.
-     characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible.

The line will continue to be up to the admins discretion, though we always appreciate input. And beyond this, individual communities can decide whether they want to outright ban all flat-chested etc. porn to be safe.

Any other clarifications necessary, just ask below. Thanks for reading. ~Restful

I'm not sure what to make of all this; it's a bit iffy to me so I'll be on the lookout for another NSFW related Lemmy community. There were a couple of folks in the comments of the original announcement post stating they're gonna make their own instance so we'll see how that pans out.

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[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

saying loli is drawn child porn

:| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.

[–] lynny@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Some people would rather ignore Japanese culture and push their views on others. It is so strange to me that the west cannot tell drawings from reality.

[–] Hanhula@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's not Japanese culture. I know a fair few Japanese friends who are disgusted by lolicon.

The fact is, if you're drawing childlike characters and putting them in sexual situations.. there's something fucked there. Sure, they're not real, but it's still fucked up to be attracted to that in the first place. They look like children!

[–] Otome-chan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Hi, I'm an actual full grown real life 30 year old adult. I look like a minor. Should I just not be allowed to date and have relationships with other adults?

[–] Hanhula@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hi, I'm an adult woman who also looks pretty young! There's still a huge difference between how I look now in my late 20s and how a prepubescent child looks! These things are false equivalencies. Stop trying to justify this shit.

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[–] gmtom@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you can't tell the difference between a small adult and an actual child, you have major issues.

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[–] nude@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Japanese culture can do what it wants.

I and the majority of other people just don't want to be browsing and come across pictures of naked kids.

Call me crazy, I know

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[–] nude@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (12 children)

You can apply whatever definition to loli that you want, whatever makes you feel best.

for the rest

of us though,

we dont really want to be associated with this shit

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[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (24 children)

You can block whole communities as user. Personally, I'm not interested in Loli, but their users voted to allow it.

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