Sorry, what does MAU stand for?
this post was submitted on 24 Dec 2023
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Calculation for MAU changed so the old MAU and the new MAU cant really compared
old one used to include commenters and posters while the new one has that and also voters
both are missing people who dont do any of these three actions though
It'd be hard to track lurkers on federated platforms though
For communities yes due to cross instance stats but for instances themselves (which the stats above is based on) no. You can just use post read times in addition to the three which will catch anyone who has read a post. Post reads are something each instance has access to for its users so it can do the unread comments feature but it doesn't federate (but each instance self reports stats on itself).
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People who don't do any of those actions are not active users. Lurkers are not active by definition.
They shouldn't be included in the active user count, because they're not contributing any activity.
It depends on what is being called activity
The standard (I say standard but its really just the thing most sites use since it boosts their numbers) that social media uses for monthly active users is to do people who have logged in. This is what mastodon uses as well
While they aren't actively contributing content they are still actively using the site (active account as opposed to dead account)
I think lemmy should match up to the mastodon and other social media calculations so these comparisons actually make sense otherwise were just making lemmy feel dead by calling a different calculation MAU than what people are used to and since both calculations are being compared like they're equal
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I was pleased to see Lemmy get a shout out in the Verge's recent "Case for the Fediverse" article. I wonder if it attracted anyone new.
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What's the purple masto?
Fedibird, a Mastodon fork I'm surprised they're counting separately.
I think fedibird is a hard fork, so I guess it makes sense to count it separately compared to a soft fork like glitch or chuckya
I'm more surprised why there aren't any misskey instances on the list. if fedibird is on there misskey should certainly be there
Some Misskey instances do not report their MAU numbers. Misskey total MAU is undercounted because of this, but, looking at Misskey instance stats I suppose, that it's 20 000 at most.
All Misskey forks (Firefish, Iceshrimp, Cherrypick, Foundkey, Meisskey, Sharkey), that are listed by FediDB make another 10 000 MAU.
Yea, that's the only one I don't recognize. My first thought was some rightwing shithole like yddrasil, but I'm pretty sure that's not their logo
Out of morbid curiosity, what are the other main rightwing shitholes of the fedi?
The big one on lemmy is exploding-heads but it's blocked by pretty much every instance
Exploding heads shut down awhile ago and moved to another platform not in the fediverse
Best news I've heard in a long time
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More users is nice, but the real metric should be the quality of the content and discussions. And for me that's the real winner with Lemmy.
Quality over quantity.
I just hope the platform will expand into more niche content over time. The big topics seem to be news, politics, and some specific tech subjects. Would love to see arts/crafts/hobby related stuff take hold here as well.
That said, I do think a lot of the discussion happening here is pretty high quality and the place does seem to be improving over time. Time will tell. Hopefully more people wake up to the fact that reddit is not gonna hold up on the long term. I expect them to go IPO crazy this coming year and I don't think a lot of the core users are going to like it.
Might not be the kind of arts and crafts you're talking about but I mod both !knitting@lemmy.world and !lemmy_stitch@sh.itjust.works, plus there's !crochet@lemmy.ca , !sewing@lemmy.world and plenty more that would be happy to have you!
Yeah unfortunately not quite what I'm looking for, but cool to see they're there
Okay but how do we quantitatively and unambiguously devise a metric for quality? More importantly, how do we come up with a satisfactory approximation to that metric? I'm open to ideas.
How about a ratio of post upvotes to avg upvotes per post in a community? At least upvotes somewhat correlate with post quality.
I like this, but I think that upvotes correspond to things people enjoy, which may or may not be of high quality. I.e., shitposting subs would probably be rated "high quality" when, like... it's literally the point to post shitty content.
Also, as stated, that means we have to sum over the entire time history of the community. We would probably want to limit the time history of what is summed over, subject to a maximum for subs with high post counts (like the shitposting subs.
IMO it's a great suggestion, but I think it needs to be part of a weighted combination of factors.
Character count and thread depth (number of replies deep threads go) are interesting, while imperfect.
A language model could rate discussion quality.
User surveys…
Hard to think of anything perfect.
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Quantity helps the quality in some important aspects though. For example we don’t have an equivalent to r/LegalAdvice or r/AskDocs because there isn’t large enough amount of people that are doctors/lawyers using Lemmy
Or AskHistorians. God I miss that sub.
But we do have an excess of Trekkies and Linux nerds!
It's me, I'm the Trekkie Linux nerd.
it's why I've stayed since the initial huge migration from reddit. I find myself caring more about interacting with other commenters.
I never did that on reddit because comment sections just kinda felt like battlefields or playgrounds rather than discussions.
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Pixelfed is underrated by the people.
A powerful photo sharing platform without the shity parts of instagram. Just the opposite of doomscrolling prevalent there
Could someone explain how the 2 million users are calculated for Lemmy?
I don't know if fedidb.org is up to date but there, the total number of users is at 352625.
EDIT: Had to look it up since I wasn't sure, but I recalled that the 0.19 update changed how MAUs are being counted. Now it includes voters as well.
Previously, site and community activity counts were only based on people who commented, or posted. Those counts now include anyone who voted on a comment or post as well. Thanks to @Ategon for this change.
Yep you'd expect it to climb significantly once .world upgrades. Basically this update messes with the baseline stat a lot so no reason to celebrate, but also no reason to really be fussed either way as long as we've got plenty people here to talk to 👍
It’ll definitely shoot up. I’m a world user and vote the majority of the posts I come across. I don’t do a lot of post submission, but do comment as much as I can contribute. I’m sure I’m not alone.
the 2 million here includes the account bots that mass target open signup instances. (if an instance has no restrictions on signing up then they tend to make 8k accounts or something on it). fedidb detects that and excludes it
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We're already that close to Mastodon in user count? Wack
2% of active users vs 18% for Mastodon though. I'm impressed by Mastodon's percentage, how comes?
alien.top has registered 1.18M users, but pretty much all of them are (still) bots and not count as active.
Servers that mirror Twitter users (like bird.makeup) don't inflate Mastodon user count because it reports itself as a different software.
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