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Did the reddit hivemind do a 180 or are the people left behind just the people who don't care. (kbin.social)

submitted 2 years ago by Liontigerwings@kbin.social to c/RedditMigration@kbin.social

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Prior to the protest reddit was in full support of the protest. Most polls on subs supported a shutdown. Now, seemingly every community cant understand why the protest was needed and they're calling it a mod power trip. There is a 3rd possibility. This is an unfounded conspiracy but reddit themselves could be manipulating scores.

See the NFL thread if you don't mind sending traffic

https://reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/14b11kh/were_just_here_so_we_dont_get_fined/

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[–] yacht_boy@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (13 children)

I've been on reddit for 13 years. My wife finally got an account last year. She cannot understand any of the fuss. She didn't know there were apps outside the official app. She never used RES. She just scrolls and never comments or posts. I would be surprised if she even upvotes or downvotes. She's not a monster, she just doesn't reddit like I do.

95% of users are like my wife. 5% of users are like me. I haven't even tried to explain this whole Lemmy/Kbin experiment to her yet.

But the thing is, if 50% of the 5% of us who are active posters (e.g., 2.5% of total users) are now over here on Kbin/Lemmy, the 95% who are left are going to notice a huge difference in the experience of the site. Conversations will be dull. New posts will be more ad-focused. They may not be able to explain what happened, but they will notice that Reddit is not as fun as it used to be.

Will this stop spez from getting stupid rich? Probably not. Will my wife switch to Lemmy or Kbin? Never gonna happen. But the people who want to be part of the old culture will find their way here. The stuff that made reddit great is already happening over here. Reddint will not die anytime soon, but it will cease to be relevant. Think of how long yahoo lasted even though no one cared about it. Reddit is going to be like that.

I haven't yet deleted my reddit account. It will probably happen. But I also haven't missed it. I've actually been excited to come over and see what's happening every day in the fediverse! I'm posting more, and considering modding for the first time.

[–] Blakerboy777@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I pretty much agree with this. If you look at the accounts of the people complaining, how many of them have posts hitting the frontpage? I'm not saying I have any data, I'm just speculating that most people who are power users, whether they use 3rd party apps or not, can recognize how shitty reddit went about this and won't complain about the protest.

[–] dorokian@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even if I'm not totally off of Reddit, recent events got me out of a rut for a bit and that's good. Already, the threads on Reddit/all seem stale and even in the past 24 hours what I see on kbin and lemmy.world is starting to give me the tingle I hadn't felt since the early Reddit days or even the period before when I used to browse multiple sites so in a way this is going back to my Internet roots, surfing across multiple sites for nuggets and truly browsing and not doom scrolling a single website aggregator. It's a breath of fresh air.

It's like having gotten used to a favorite diner with a massive menu but when the classic joint starts going off the rails, one decides to explore, finding new culinary niches, pop ups, and little shops with unique offerings. It's no longer as convenient, but then again, maybe it shouldn't be.

[–] parrot-party@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

I've hard avoided Reddit this week to break the habit and help keep traffic numbers down for their metrics. Will I return to some of my small subs later? Maybe. Kbin and Lemmy have already done a great job at providing more content than I can really engage with already, so there's not a huge need for me to go back. The only time it's a struggle is when the Kbin servers are hugged to death, but I've been lurking squabbles during those dark times.

[–] MoonKnightFan@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Same. I've been redditing since 2012 and have tailor made a select group of subs I follow for all of my hobbies. I was an avid commenter, with reply's as long as your own. It was definitely my most visited site. It was as much for stupid pictures when I was going to bed as it was discussing things with fellow collectors or getting advice or tech support. Old.Reddit on my Desktop, RIF on my phone. I am one of the people this hooplah affects. And it makes me mad.

I know a lot of people who reddit in real life, but most of them might use it for 10 minutes a day on the toilet or while on the bus. They primarily lurk and stick to a lot of the easily accessible and fun subs. They also just use the official App, or they just look at it in their phone browser. Like you said, this whole thing doesn't affect most of them.

I'm now spending a lot of time trying to find new communities in kbin and lemmy. But I have to admit the specialty subs I follow either don't have a community here (like Moon Knight stuff) or very small communities (functional print, comic book collecting, etc). I'm sticking to the protest as long as makes sense to me (it still does). But I have a feeling reddit might die before these niche communities find purchase elsewhere.

[–] Varyag@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Almost exactly same situation as you. I'm mad, it hurts, I've already purged my Reddit account of all content on it, multiple times since the most recent posts kept getting restored. The account itself isn't deleted yet, I still think I'll keep coming back for some stuff that just isn't here on Lemmy or kbin yet... But as for participating in discussions and communities, I'm now 100% here.
It's just sad. I've met the majority of my current online friend group that I chat with everyday on Discord, through Reddit. I hope at some point that becomes a real possibility in the Fediverse too. That we gather enough weirdos that are way too much into niche things that you can select which of them you'd like to be friends with.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Exactly. Love the vibe here, discussions with ppl of similar stlye and interests (exactly how my forums were a long time ago, also reddit used to be years ago, and how it still was in some communities)

[–] 3Melvi@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So in other words reddit's conversations will become as dull as Facebook.

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[–] le_saucisson_masque@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

She’s not a monster, she just doesn’t reddit like I do.

The way you need to precise she’s not a monster make me doubt it. Does she live by night, avoid the sun at all cost during daytime and drink children blood for dinner ? If so I have bad news.

on a more serious note, I agree that most people come on reddit for a little giggle or to spend time but don't know that much about the backend of it. Eventually they find out after some time and then decide if they care or not about the api price change, in the meantime no one can blame them for just living their life without caring about reddit.

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[–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

While it’s possible that Reddit could be rigging the scales, I think the simplest answer is that the people most critical of Reddit have already left Reddit. Vice versa, everyone here is clearly in favor of boycotting Reddit because well… we’re here now.

[–] nude@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its a classic case of people having no fucking clue about scale, bias, the vocal majority and silent minority.

For every loud reddit dissident, there is 100 people who just heard about reddit and grabbed the official app from the store. They dont comment, they dont post, they dont give a shit. If reddit went down they wouldnt question it, they would just grab a 9gag app or something and continue on consuming content. They dont block ads, they dont get invested in net neutrality or anything else the EFF are involved in, they dont mod the UX, they dont dig into dodgy shit going on behind the scenes. They dont give a shit.
In other words, they are the perfect community for a corporate social media.

[–] Hellsadvocate@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm interested to see what happens when the third party apps actually die. And old.reddit.com obviously

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Userbase here will explode, then continue to grow. Content and moderation quality on reddit will decrease week by week, but they will go on for a very long time anyway (see Digg)

[–] nude@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I read somewhere that a shim was being developed to allow reddit apps to join a lemmy instance. Not sure how practical it would be, or how far off it is, but its an interesting idea. Would obviously need to be implemented by the original reddit app dev, or a forked version if open source.

I imagine at least a couple of developers will migrate over here. If they update their app to the fediverse, join in on other open source projects, or just leave the scene is yet to be seen though.

[–] Vhostym@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If Sync ever did that, I would be over the moon. That app made browsing a genuine joy with how good the UI is and how customizable it is. I really hope the devs for the existing third party apps repurpose them or make a version for the fediverse.

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[–] Ditti@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I read somewhere that a shim was being developed to allow reddit apps to join a lemmy instance

I assume you're talking about this project?

[–] DRx@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My partner still hasn’t left Reddit yet, but because it’s a habit for her now AND Apollo still works… once Apollo is gone she’s already signaled she is moving on.

I wonder how many others are just waiting for the third party’s to be killed before moving on?

[–] DrPop@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

This is kinda the case for me. I'm working on getting use to this.

[–] danielton@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Survivorship bias. Most of us who care left already and are exploring the alternatives.

[–] a-man-from-earth@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Of the four subs I moderate, two are restricted (i.e. read-only) with links to places off-Reddit. One support sub I handed over to my co-mod who wants to keep it going as long as possible, tho he understands Reddit is likely going down, slowly but certainly.

There's only one of my subs that's a bit problematic, with ~45% of voting users wanting to rejoin the blackout, but ~55% wanting it to remain open. There are some people really critical of my proposal to move to kbin.social, but they are largely people with very little prior activity on the sub.

Either way, unless Reddit reverses course and fires spez, I am leaving that platform.

[–] raktheundead@fosstodon.org 2 points 2 years ago

@Liontigerwings: There's always been an undercurrent of "mods just want power and control because they can't get it themselves in their lives" that goes against my experience as a moderator.

Personally, my response to people calling for moderators to put their money where their mouth is, to step down as a moderator and leave the site was, "OK, will do".

[–] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I think this will be a 4-6 week process where people stop using their old Reddit apps and either migrate to the official app, old.reddit or to that federated sites.

I don't think it'll ever get as big as Reddit overall but so long as a good number of people come across to sites like Lemmy or kbin and are engaged, it'll be a vibrant place in no time.

[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think the only people left heavily skew as the people who didn't care. Case in point, the discord for my kebble sub saw a LOT of new members as those who didn't like the way reddit was handling it prepared other ways to contact each other. That was and still is very much in favor of the protest and they're still working out a platform to move everyone to.

The actual reddit sub for the kebble has turned on a DIME about it and is now infighting between the people who do care and are only using reddit so they can speak in that particular sub, and the ones that never cared in the first place and think the act of protesting anything in general is, and I quote, "childish." Were an outsider to scroll through it, they would think we never supported it in the first place.

Before this, we were uncommonly civil towards each other, took as much text as we wanted to eplain our viewpoints properly, and usage of the downvote button was both frowned upon and extremely rare to even see. Now I'm seeing downvotes. The whole thing is causing a schism that doesn't bode well for the site in general. This will be reddit's main userbase going forward.

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[–] yasuocidal@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Many news outlets paint the protest as "mods dont like change, thats why they are protesting" which is missinformation and someone that is lazy to do some research doesnt see the importance of it

News outlet that said that

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[–] brianshatchet@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I think there is some pro-spez astroturfing as well as some users are just sick of it and want their subs back.

[–] dairokkan@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My take: The people who were in support of the protest were mostly the 3rd party client users and a lot of them left after the protest, leaving normal users, like myself, who are there for the content only, to vote for the sub to remain open in order to view the content again

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