Lemmy

Sadly, I feel like the Fediverse, based on ActivityPub, was fundamentally designed wrong for scaling potential. I do like Fedi and I like ActivityPub, but I think instances should not have to be responsible for all of this:

• Owning user accounts
• Exclusively host communities
• Serving local and remote users webpages and media
• Never going down, as this results in users and content becoming unavailable

Because servers "own" the user accounts and communities it's not trivial for users to switch to a different instance, and as instances scale their costs go up slightly exponentially.

I wish the Fediverse from the beginning was a truly distributed content replication platform, usenet-style or Matrix-style, and every instance would add additional capacity to the network instead of hosting specific communities or users.

I guess it's a bit too late for a redesign now... Perhaps decentralized identifiers will take us there in some form in the future.

First post for me!

Sorry, I applied and got approved here. Still waiting to hear back from beehaw…

I’m really digging this UI compared to Reddit, but I am 99.9% a mobile user via the native Reddit app (don’t @ me!)

I am very tempted to setup my own instance. Wondering what resource usage looks like for an instance.

I applied for a few other instances but this one came through first. Your downfall is being too good compared to the competition.

I just created https://lemmy.film if that would be useful for anyone.

This is one of the biggest hurdles to get into Lemmy. I consider myself quite tech savvy but I am at a stage of my life that I cannot read hundreds of page of documentation just to use a forum.

There need to be a way to seamlessly move people from instance to another without them having to do it themselves or at the least a way way shorter documentation that goes to the point in one page.

Sorry for contributing towards this by registering but I'm very appreciative of the work being done to facilitate this community. I hope to see Lemmy grow with the negative direction other platforms are taking.

You might wanna consider temporarily closing sign-up requests on lemmy.ml similarly to how mastodon.social did it during its large influx. Making a sign-up request and just receiving an infinite loading icon is a very frustrating experience.

Similarly, you want to make it as easy as possible to financially contribute to lemmy, even if it means using proprietary platforms like Patreon.

Overall, the current Reddit API change is probably one of the largest opportunities for lemmy right now, so smoothing over the user experience as fast as possible in the coming days will be of atmost importance if we want lemmy to become a viable Reddit alternative...

IMHO, selecting an instance is definitely the biggest user experience problem Lemmy has at the moment. New users who are unfamiliar with the platform are going to pick the biggest instances, and that's going to create performance problems.

We'll need to prioritize work on instance browsing. Lemmy has outgrown the experience over at join-lemmy.org. If I could wave a magic wand, instance browsing and onboarding would have a way to show instance capacity / performance, a way to categorize and filter instances, and a way to recommend instances based upon interests. That would probably help to spread people out more evenly.

is it possible to move an existing profile to a new server, like on Mastodon? or I need to create a new one and "start over"?

I know it probably won't be fun for you hosting, but this makes me happy! Hopefully Lemmy will grow a lot!

If this is the Mastodon moment, ho boy. Don't envy the sysadmins.

Is scaling the server a largely financial issue, or not? @nutomic@lemmy.ml

could you reasonably confidently say that you could 10x the amount of users for something like 1000$/mo on liberapay?
If so, would you mind setting a "goalpost" for the community to help lift the financial burden?

Saldy it's very common to have this influx towards the "main server" as people that are not used to the federated aspect come to the platform.

Either way, it would be interesting to collect this information and later post some metrics about the exodus from Reddit, kind of like how Fosstodon and other Mastodon instances did when Twitter had their issues.

I'm going to set up a general purpose instance tomorrow with the intention of handling a relatively large number of users. The main problem is choosing a domain!

I would be happy to use another instance but my account is on this one. Is there a way to migrate an account, or perhaps "link" accounts on multiple instances somehow?

I guess it’s good news that a lot of people are migrating from other sites like me

I like to call Lemmy "Feddit".

lemmy.ml should be a roundrobin dns that sends you to a random instance in the pool. Or else you will re-centralize lemmy and curmble under the IT bill.

If anybody else is lost and wants a basic general-purpose home for their account, https://lemm.ee is on good hardware and open for signups.

I signed up on lemmy org uk originally (day or 2 ago) and now it seems to be gone. If I could have kept my account some how that would have been better, but here I am instead.

I applied for behaw about 24 hours ago without response nor success logging in. Wondering if they have temporarily suspended applications?

This is inevitable if feddit is going to become mainstream. People have a herd mentality, if Lemmy is going to become popular there will always be a handful of instances that are much more popular than the others. These popular instances will need to scale (both vertically and horizontally) while the smaller instances will probably keep getting by with a single server. This is the same way email providers work, half the people I know use gmail, and most of the others use another large provider like yahoo or hotmail. It's just the way this is going to have to work. People want to join an instance with their friends, even if they're all federated together. They want to know that the instance they sign up for has peer approval and it's already a tried and trusted one.

For non technical users, the idea of instances can be a very confusing concept (the email analogy is a good one but its still confusing for people). I know you guys have a lot on your plate in terms of development wise, however I hope that prioritizing keeping lemmy.ml up is high up there. I say this because its the instance that most users from Reddit will flock to. And the last thing they need is to create an account then have the site go down for 6 hours. I havent experienced it going down. Although hopefully you have a backup site for when it does (what I mean is just a page that says your down/your working on fixing it... Try these instances instead.)

So, might I recommend having a button on the top bar that shows us the instances we've subscribed to, and maybe a quick link to the list of available instances? People like easy navigation, having to do multiple bookmarks or navigate through finding a link to the list of servers is not easy navigation.

I think lemmy will be bitten in the ass by not having considered clustering/horizontal scaling from the start. Federation alone as a scaling mechanism is only feasible for "nerds". But if the network wants to grow, we will need a few scale-able large hosted instances. And if their only choice is to scale vertically, there will be a hard limit (unless we put a good old Mainframe somewhere ^^).

Another downside of this design is: you can't run it with high availability. If there's only one process per instance, updating it will mean the whole instance is down. Sure, if all goes well this downtime is under a second. But if it doesn't go well or if a migration is needed, this might quickly become hours.

It also avoids centralization. sopuli.xyz has a list of alternate communities to the ones on lemmy.ml.

Lemmy.world is a new server, accepting signups. You're welcome there.

https://toast.ooo is accepting registrations 🎉

New user,how do I donate / tip to help you peeps cover server costs? It wasn't directly obvious how to do it; apologize if it's a big button right on a page that I missed.

It seems like a common issue among ActivityPub services that people flock to the most popular instance and this causes problems. Why can't load balancing happen transparently? It seems like the main thing that actually makes a difference between which instance users want to join is what the moderation will be like. Like I don't want to be forced to sign up for an instance with a high amount of censorship compared to the rest of instances.

So maybe user registration should start from a centralized site that can describe the trade-offs of joining the various instances, and users don't get to select their specific instance by default, but rather they select based on a loose moderation policy, and then load-balancing occurs on the backend.

EDIT: I also want to be able to migrate between instances without losing my community subscriptions.

Would be really nice if on the instance page you could have some extra information admins could fill in like max capacity and such, think that people would be more inclined to choose other instances if they could see how close the instance is to the approximate member limit

@nutomic@lemmy.ml what kind of hosting do you guys use for lemmy.ml? At the time of writing it looks like you have around 33k users and around 2k active. What does that look like for resources consumed?