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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The EU Cyber Resilience Act will effectively make open-source software illegal, and that sure as hell isn't pro-consumer. Neither is all the spooky surveillance and crippled cryptography they keep trying to mandate.

[–] maiskanzler@feddit.de 24 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's always very two sided with the EU. On the one hand it brings forward a lot of progressive and positive change, on the other hand it's used to "quietly" walk around the local political climate. Political actors push unpopular things on the EU level, but as soon as people catch wind of it, they market themselves as always having disagreed with them. They often keep pushing for it anyway, because people really don't notice things on the EU level. Everybody only ever pays attention to the national sphere of politics.

In German politics it's often the case that high-ranking national politicians that "fail" in the public eye are pushed higher up into the EU level. Take Ursula von der Leyen for example. Too many scandals in Germany, immediately pushed out of the way and now holds an important position in the EU.

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How exactly is open source illegal?

I mean.. lol

How are they even gonna enforce that?

[–] Zpiritual@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Probably the same way they'll enforce their upcoming ban on encryption (yes really).

Fines, gigantic fines since people seem to love those.

[–] xradeon@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Really? According to this site they claim that "The Cyber Resilience Act should only apply to free open-source software that is developed or supplied in the course of commercial activity." While that could be a broad scope, I don't think it applies to most FOSS. Linux is really the big thing I see it applying to and Linux is very Cyber secure, so I don't really see issues there.

Are there other parts of the law that ban FOSS? Or is that site too pro EU and glosses over the bad parts?

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

According to this site they claim that “The Cyber Resilience Act should only apply to free open-source software that is developed or supplied in the course of commercial activity.”

Almost all FOSS development happens as part of a commercial activity.

The most obvious example is of course corporate sponsorship of FOSS projects, but even things like pull requests submitted to FOSS libraries by corporate employees qualify as “develop[ment] in the course of commercial activity”.

Linux is really the big thing I see it applying to and Linux is very Cyber secure, so I don’t really see issues there.

Linux does not and cannot comply with the demands of the Cyber Resilience Act. For example, the Act demands automatic update installation, which within a kernel is infeasible and unsafe. Linux will be illegal in the EU.

Furthermore, no company in its right mind is going to sponsor, or allow its employees to contribute to, any FOSS project if doing so creates the risk of fines. All corporate sponsorship of and contribution to FOSS projects—which, once again, is responsible for almost all FOSS development—will completely and instantly disappear in the EU, severely damaging the worldwide FOSS movement.

Needless to say, this proposal is catastrophically bad.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Now if only they did the same antitrust they did with Microsoft back in the day but targeting Google.

[–] Zamundaaa@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

... or targeting Microsoft again too

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 23 points 2 years ago

Both is good.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Things like the new right to repair laws will hit everyone.

Most Android phone manufacturers have been sealing in their batteries as well, and Android is 2/3 of the European phone market.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How is it that billion dollar tech companies haven't infiltrated the EU leadership yet?

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The "EU leadership" changes every few years, through something called democracy.

You cant just pay off 1 person

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Sure, but that explains nothing.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It doesn't really change, the same people are voted over and over and over like in most democracies. To some extend the EU is even antidemocratic, since people don't really have a saying in who's the president.

[–] Nurgle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m hearing mixed things on how impacted Apple will be re:batteries, since they already sell replacement kits to the users. It sounds like they may just need to make them available to all member states? Not sure if anyone has actual insight beyond reading a headline.

[–] eatham@aussie.zone 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You need to be able to Open the phone without tools to swap the battery with the new law

[–] jubalvoid@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

You need to be able to open it with commercially available tools or ones provided by the manufacturer. This isn't to bring back swappable batteries, only replaceable ones.

[–] beatle@aussie.zone 0 points 2 years ago

So we all end up with fatter phones that aren’t waterproof like we had in 2006?

[–] stillline@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

I would like my phone to stay somewhat water proof. This will make that very difficult.

[–] radswid@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago
[–] Vertelleus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What, other than profit, is stopping big companies like this from stopping support in the EU if most of their sales are in the US? Would the redevelopment be worth it?

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