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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They've already been caught lying...

Even the videos produced so far have raised questions under scrutiny. A BBC analysis found the footage of an IDF spokesperson showing the apparent discovery of a bag containing a gun behind an MRI scanning machine, had been taped hours before the arrival of the journalists to whom he was supposedly showing it.

In a video shown later, the number of guns in the bag had doubled. The IDF claimed its video of what it found at the hospital was unedited, filmed in a single take, but the BBC analysis found it had been edited.

They knew there was a large basement, because they built it...

Israeli forces say they are still carefully exploring the site. The video presentation of al-Shifa did show the main facilities lay deep underground, and it is quite possible the Israeli soldiers have not reached them yet, so there could be much more to come. But the attempt to present what has been found so far as significant is bound to fuel scepticism about whatever is presented later.

There are questions over how much of its graphic presentation of the network under al-Shifa was based on what Israel knew already; its own architect had built an extensive basement area there the last time Israel directly occupied Gaza, up to 2005.

And even if they weren't lying, it's still not enough to get around the Geneva Convention...

All of this is significant under the Geneva conventions, which forbid military operations against hospitals unless “they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy”. This exception, spelled out in article 19 of the fourth Geneva convention, states specifically: “… the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants and not yet handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy”.

There's no rationale reason to believe any claims made by Netanyahu's government. Time after time they make these outrageous claims, and if they actually try to show evidence it turns out to be at best a misrepresentation, but often outright fabrication

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Man, it's almost like apartheid governments engaging in ethnic cleansing can't be trusted to operate in good faith or something. Imagine that.

[–] EurekaStockade@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If that MRI machine is in use then that gun can't have been there very long, the extremely powerful magnetic field means metal objects can not be present in the same room while the machine is active.

[–] msage@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

Just yesterday I saw a video where a chair exerted 2000 pounds of force when next to the working MRI machine.

Can't imagine guns being near.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I would presume the MRI was in use up until the hospital's electricity was cut when the IDF started its siege a couple days ago. So those guns apparently manifested in that bag in that location since then. Which really does make them seem planted.

[–] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 year ago (53 children)

So they found almost as many guns as a typical American household and like, a calendar written in Arabic? Yeah, they should definitely keep looking. I'm sure the weapons of mass destruction are in there somewhere. /s

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I was gonna say the amount of guns they found is less than what you see on a republicans christmas card.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's about the right amount for seized property taken from fighters which they probably don't let them keep on them for obvious reasons.

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[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is that two cans of WD-40?

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gotta have two in case one doesn't open, hank hill style

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Case lube, in sandy environments when you load higher caliber weapons it's not uncommon to wipe them down with a rag covered in light oil so the case doesn't jam and render the weapon inoperable for at least some time.

[–] Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I like the two random giant bullets of different calibers arranged next to the AK as if to suggest that rifle could suddenly become capable of firing them. If the IDF had found either of the guns capable of firing those rounds it would be front and center of their "evidence," because those guns are huge and scary looking.

Those rounds are about the right size for a soldier to carry around in their pocket to "find" and imply the existence of heavier weapons, but I'm sure the IDF would never stoop to such obvious and underhanded tactics.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Israel lieing again? Say it ain’t so.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Oh shit guys...I've got 3 guns and some wd-40 in my closet. Am I a terrorist headquarters?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Is this like the actress playing a Gazan nurse propaganda video?

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

wow that is just sad

[–] saraabi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise

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