Reminder of how stupid and toxic some communities are
this post was submitted on 14 Jun 2023
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Also remember there are "free market" apologists that think a business should be able to charge whatever they want, whenever they want. Charging so much for access that it drives servicew/apps to shutdown is not ok on any level.
well we did find another app or website
Well that was a frustrating read. I don't get it. Why are people so okay with reddit treating them like garbage?
Those are Gamers™.
They aren't exactly people known for their critical thinking. They are however known for eating a whole bunch of shit from game publishers and devs, even going as far as thanking them for being able to buy said crap-sandwich.
I was going to say, "Gamers are being buttholes? No way."
Those are most likely the same people who think games should have paid dlc on day one and paywalls in games. Best to never think about em until they are all crying that Reddit turns into 90% ads for onlyfans
At least here they're being shit on like the weak-willed idiots they are.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1494sa8/gaming_is_now_public
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I don’t think anyone has a problem with a business trying to make money. The problem is the extortionate pricing and also not having things in place for mods or the communities with accessibility needs. And the timeframe in which the change is being implemented is ludicrous. And that isn’t even touching on the literal libel stating that Christian was blackmailing them.
Exactly!! The protest wasn't solely about the API changes but people were also protesting /u/spez and his blatant lies to try and shift blame onto other people, which he just loves doing
I don't have a problem with a business trying to make money, but lurkers need to realize that the site isn't run by the company it's run by the users who submit content, converse about it, and moderate it all for free.
All reddit does is keep the servers functional and take all the money, now they want a bigger chunk of money while not adding any more value.
And I mean, Im OK with reddit making some money too. They said they want to be "profitable" and thats fine. But what their asking is ridiculous. I mean I wouldnt mind having to pay a small subscription fee or something to access reddit from Sync, unrestricted as we have been. But Im talking small. Im not talking Netflix, Gamepass or Amazon Prime money here.
Frankly one of my favorite parts about the blackout - and opinions like this - is that Lemmy is going to end up being populated by people who have the capacity to think about others and form intelligent opinions. All of the people with this attitude will stay on reddit, which is what will ultimately kill it. I hope he stays.
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That one comment saying "the mods take it too seriously, they act like they get paid" How anyone could use that as an argument against the blackout is beyond me
It looks like a lot of ~~people~~ idiots think the blackout is pointless and support Reddit’s choice
These aren't real people. These are Bots.
You can also find a few real specimens, a quick look through their history will show you the kind of subs they like and the kind of mindset they are in. Unfortunately, as much as I live video games, we suck so bad as a “community”
I love video games. It’s my main hobby and has been ever since I moved Link around in The legend of Zelda. Gamers are fucking idiots. It’s that community that has fully cemented the shittiest monetization possible in any entertainment medium and they DEFEND it. It’s no surprise that those from that circle would also defend reddits shit decisions.
I have some hope left for the community after discovering r/patientgamers. It's encouraging to see that not everyone is buying into the overpriced AAA bug-infested pre-order crap these days.
Patient gamers is the best. One of the few subs I'm honestly gonna miss.
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Oh yeah. The reason AAA gaming is so shit right now, full of nickle and dimming everywhere, is because we have allowed it over the years.
It's the same with the internet in general.
We allowed ourselves to get fucked, accepting every little "it's a tiny change, it's for the better" with nothing more than a tiny moan.
We gave these companies our data, our money, and our time, and let them free to control the markets as they see fit.
Why shouldn't they think we are gullible and easy to manipulate into defending their greed?
It’s crazy when you think about it, they are asking hundreds of bucks for just a bunch of textures, it’s insane. Now mix it with casino mechanics and sexualisation and you have a bunch addict incels lining up for their next fix of fake waifus with the little money they have. It’s diabolical and brilliant.
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I have to say imo it would be awesome if the "Rexxit" leads to a split between people interested in tech and ready for change and the "normies" that just want to see funny cat pictures. I am mightily impressed by the whole Lemmyverse and all the stuff one can do here.
Having even the slightest technical barrier to entry is a quick way to increase the quality of user-user experience. It takes a dedicated shit-poster to troll a brand new platform with a reduced audience and unusual community layout.
There are lots of corporate bootlickers coming out of the woodwork. I wouldn’t be surprised if they turn out to be Reddit employee sockpuppet accounts.
I think it's important to remember a lot of people participating in the blackout are still on a break from Reddit and aren't commenting on these kinds of posts.
Anyway, we did indeed "just find another app or website", so we're good.
People like to dig their head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong. As long as their little lives aren’t disrupted, they go along with anything. I can’t say I entirely blame them, everyone just wants to come home from work/school and scroll on their stupid little app till they fall asleep and don’t have the energy to care. That’s literally what I do every night :/
But we have more power than we think. The first day of the blackout was great, people working together to say fuck you to capitalism, but going back to normal before any changes are made is not how protesting works.
100% agreed, the protest should've lasted indefinitely and having it be only 48 hours was such a stupid idea. But like you said the start of the protest was fantastic and it had the potential to really make an impression that people are serious about this.
Several very large subs and quite a few smaller ones have committed to remaining private until reddit backtracks or they are removed and opened by reddit admins. It's not quite over, but I don't think the average user cares enough, unfortunately.
I hope they do stay there. I don't want their drivel here. 🤷 If the main thing on their mind is being angry with the blackout, I can only imagine the content they would contribute to their communities anyway. 😵💫
Yeah, it's crazy how many people would shill for a company because theyre slightly inconvenienced
they all have exactly the same tactics -
make some bullshit point that ignores the actual ideals behind the protest ignore any and all answers, just yelling that same bullshit point over and over again, keep on yelling to attempt to derail conversation get banned send modmail get muted
As a mod, I've gotten: hate mail, death threats, and Reddit cares notifications for posting that we would be restricted indefinitely.
I don't care.
I do think the blackouts are pointless, but I absolutely do not support Reddit Inc. in any way.
What the moderators should do instead of blackouts, is to stop moderating and let all the major subreddits be overrun by spam and hatespeech. Good luck with your IPO and with finding advertisers after that. That would have been a much more effective way to communicate how valuable the volunteers at Reddit are.
The whole idea of a protest being pointless is pointless!
Protests often do not accomplish their stated goal in the moment. That doesn't mean there wasn't an effect, it may just take awhile (or more protests) to be noticed. Even if it doesn't ever have a measurable effect, the idea that people should just shut up and not express themselves is completely contrary to all of the ideals of democracy.
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If losing third party apps ruins your reddit experience (oh no) just find another app or website.
When the blackouts started, I decided to leave reddit permanency for Lemmy, a decision that I don't regret. I checked back in briefly today and it seems like reddit is currently tearing itself apart. There's definitely a lot more people vocally disagreeing with the blackout now.
There’s definitely a lot more ~~people~~ bots vocally disagreeing with the blackout now.
FTFY.
Of course, there are indeed plenty of real people, along with bots, disagreeing. Their daily Reddit routine has been disrupted, and they don't like it. Of course, these folks aren't generally affected (so far) by API changes, so they just want things to go back to what they were. They don't understand what is coming, given the mod issues, etc.
That’s good to hear! I haven’t looked. Hopefully word gets out about Lemmy and more people join us over here.
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Predictable and moronic reactions.
- Some people just love to feel superior by mocking people who demand change
- Some people love to feel superior by pretending they knew that this would happen
- Some people love to feel superior by implying the other side are clueless kids, hippies, idiots who know nothing about the real world.
I think the whole reddit issue can be summed up very concisely. The users liked reddit because it was simple to use, free of ads and other distracting bullshit. That's how they got big. But there's no money in that. For some reason, investors still threw money at it. Now, they want their money back and reddit has 2000 employees. They need to find more and more ways to make money, which effectively kills the reason reddit got popular in the first place.
TL;DR don't invest gazillions in a site simply because it has many users.
To me the main reason for the protest is not 3rd party apps themselves, but the fact that when these are gone, they will have full control on user data (both personal and posts) and how its presented. Even if you just look at cat pictures, they can then potentially do stuff like feeding you with whatever post or idea they want/ get paid to promote. E.g. Youtube now sorts comments in the most convenient way to make you feel good and watch more videos when you scroll down, stuff like this it's scary to me...
99.9% of their userbase weren't even aware of third party apps, which frustrates me even more.
Yes, but remember the 1% rule. 90% of users lurk, 9% comment, 1% contribute. The power users upset at this change are at least in the 9%, if not the 1%, and enough of them go, the site grinds to a halt for the other 90%.
A lot of it is due to some lack of information, and a lot of news outlets only telling part of the story.
I was seeing stuff on CNBC, Reuters, and Louis Rossman and stuff on youtube talking about the protests, and everyone one of them leaves out critical information. Some people see it as moderators being upset about losing tools, others see it as third party app developers being upset about having to pay a fee to reddit. But they leave out that moderators are volunteers and arent paid to moderate, and would have to pay to be able to do so from a third party app. Or that reddit is asking for a ridiculous amount of money in less than a month for app developers to access their APIs. Overall theyll talk about a few points but miss on others.
It creates a lack of a sense of urgency or meaning to all this. "Regular people" think no one wants to pay reddit and get stuff for free, or that mods are power tripping.
But theres still 15 days before apps shut down and then people may change their tune once they cant access reddit using their favorite app of choice.
Tbh it's like the Twitter migration. Anybody who actually cares has left and it's mostly dickheads that remains now.
Let’s enjoy it until the dickheads try to ruin this too
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