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[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 121 points 2 years ago (12 children)

International sentiment generally negative about country actively committing genocide.

More at 11.

Jokes aside - yeah? Of course there's propaganda about China. I would wager its hard to find a big international power that doesn't have some level of propaganda being spread about it by the other big international powers. But between the propaganda you still find a bunch of real reasons to have negative views toward China's leadership and actions.

  • Uyghur genocide (ongoing)
  • authoritarian rule with huge censorship of outside media I really don't need to go on
[–] falsem@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago

Can we add bellicose relations with a lot of their neighbors over the expansionist goals they're pushing?

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[–] DaDaDrood 87 points 2 years ago (27 children)

I read this ‘article’. There are zero references towards the so called ‘China Bashing’. If it is so rampant, how hard can it be to just link to a few mainstream offenders? It alludes towards a deliberate bashing, once again without any links or merit. I am fully aware that news is hardly unbiased but come on, this is ridiculous.

[–] sludge@beehaw.org 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

like, just off the top of my head there's that whole "spy balloon" thing.

[–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 21 points 2 years ago

A Chinese corporation openly tested those spy balloons over my country a decade ago (allegedly just for monitoring livestock), why is it so unbelievable that they'd use a more polished version on their biggest geopolitical rival?

[–] DaDaDrood 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Give me a source that shows the blatant and deliberate anti China rhetoric about the ‘spy balloon’.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

U.S. president Biden ... however stated that it was "not a major breach", and that he also believed that the Chinese leadership wasn't even aware of the balloon. ... On September 17, 2023, in an interview with CBS news, General Mark Milley, the retiring 20th US chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated “I would say it was a spy balloon that we know with high degree of certainty got no intelligence, and didn't transmit any intelligence back to China." Technical experts had also found that the balloon's sensors had never been activated while it was travelling over the Continental United States. The general also touched on a leading theory that the reason that it was flying over the United States, was probably because it was blown off-track, where the balloon had been heading towards Hawaii however winds at 60,000 feet simply came into the equation. Miley said, "those winds are very high.. the particular motor on that aircraft can't go against those winds at that altitude." c

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Chinese_balloon_incident

TLDR: Unbeknownst to China's leadership, one of their balloons blew off-track (hardly a rare occurence). It didn't collect or transmit any intelligence.

But if you watched the media coverage of that incident, you'd likely come to a different conclusion. For example:

Chinese spy balloon gathered intelligence from sensitive U.S. military sites, despite U.S. efforts to block it

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-spy-balloon-collected-intelligence-us-military-bases-rcna77155

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[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 58 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Everyday people need to remember the difference between the general Chinese population and the CCP. The Chinese people are wonderful. The CCP is horrific, and working tirelessly to create their own version of hell.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I second this. I love Chinese people and culture, hell, I'm even learning Chinese to be able to communicate with my Chinese gf's parents, however CCP ≠ Chinese people.

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[–] GroteStreet@aussie.zone 50 points 2 years ago

This article is prime "SelfAwareWolves" material...

Countering this in international media by offering more balanced views for a global audience is near impossible as censorship is rife. There almost seems to be a global compact to control the narrative, a propaganda war powered by today’s digital technology.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

By that, you mean criticism of China's known actions that are detrimental to their neighboring countries and the world?

If you want to call that "anti-China", then sure, but it's an appropriate reason to be, just as appropriate as being "anti-Russia".

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[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 46 points 2 years ago

China: you can't talk bad about us!!!!

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 44 points 2 years ago

Just gonna drop an article about Naomi Wu, famous maker, as a counterpoint to all those who keep claiming free speech exists in China.

https://www.hackingbutlegal.com/p/naomi-wu-and-the-silence-that-speaks-volumes

[–] Pat@kbin.run 31 points 2 years ago (9 children)

It's almost like if they want people to not hate their country they should stop being a corrupt authoritarian hellhole

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago

to be clear: the "they" here is the chinese government rather than the chinese people, correct? your comment is a little ambiguous

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[–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago (11 children)

China is the one county that could just tell Russia to get out of Ukraine. Same with North Korea. Just look at who they hang out with and you know quite a lot.

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[–] insurgenRat@beehaw.org 22 points 2 years ago (9 children)

While it is true that insane propaganda is off the charts, for example in my own country Australia we're chaining ourselves to the fading star of the usa and the UK militarily despite having:

  • different trade interests
  • different geopolitical interests
  • different cultural interests

all while the usa government tries it's hardest to undermine our economic policy, erase our culture, and distort our politics towards their own demended lines.

There is zero evidence the chinese government does not want to do the same. They have interfered in our media, our education systems, there has been stupid petty trade squabbles with both "sides" using us for their own ends.

When chinese diplomats speak to our media, even in excruciatingly fair interviews, the pattern is the same slimey deny deny deny and legal quibble that usa diplomats engage in. Their media is insanely critical of Australian life too.

There are no good guys in this power struggle and looking for one is childish thinking.

Even this article refuses to address the notion that the chinese government has ever conducted itself in a condemnable manner.

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