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This is my big beef. Last version. Sounded great. We've been betrayed.

That was one person who phrased something poorly and it was taken out of context. Sadly.

Literally why I paid for a new version instead of... Finding other ways to install it.

That's on us though for believing scumbag corporations won't just straight up lie to sell stuff I suppose :(

Some key software I need to use doesn’t work on Linux, and is unlikely to be able to in the near future, sorry. I did use Linux for a while, mind you, and I more or less like it… but a computer is only useful if it runs the software you need to do the things you want to do with it.

I don’t want to downgrade to windows 11, but I’m going to be forced to. And to even do that I’m going to need to bypass the hardware authenticator, as I’m apparently ever so slightly behind their so-called minimum requirements, which aren’t really minimum requirements but just a push to get me to buy a new PC I don’t need.

My daily driver laptop, home servers, media center, NAS, etc are all Linux.

My gaming computer isn't -- as much as I would like it to be. There are certain things (particularly VR) that don't want to work well in Linux.

I've found that many people will go to great lengths to avoid learning anything new.

They want to be able to ignore their computers as much as possible, even considering the prospect of alternative software is taxing and upsetting for them.

I think that's basically how Microsoft and Adobe are so successful, they bought and cheated their way into the default position, and now they can do whatever they want with no real repercussions.

The user wants to click on the same icons with the same names as before, sometimes it's as simple as wanting the same name; if it's not called 'outlook' they don't want it, doesn't matter how well it works.

I wish more people were willing to give Linux a shot but I also understand that for most of them its a matter of the devil you know versus the one you don't. They don't want to learn a new OS when they can just to do their banking and watch TikTok with what they have.

Until Linux uses pretty pictures it won't be a thing

It's the last version of Windows I'll ever install, so the statement was accurate but incomplete.

Sometimes YOU have to make changes that you want to see. And not wait for corporations

Kinda glad that wasn't the case because those of us who've been using Windows 10 all this time would just end up with what Windows 11 is but masquerading as Win 10.

I'm more comfortable with being pushed back into the Linux pool and relearning how to swim those waters.

To be fair, win 11 is more or less win 10 just with a shittier UI and even more intrusive bullshit.

Nixon wasn’t speaking authoritatively there, I believe both he and M$ clarified that. And the “correlating” announcement was more “we will be continuously updating windows 10” unlike the assumed by many people to mean “perpetually” which is just silly.

You’re telling me you expected windows 10 to remain forever the last Windows version? Maybe if they decided to rename the OS moving forward.

I suppose you could take the stance of it just becoming versioned in the same way Linux distros are, but then you just get left being on an old version of Windows 10.

No, they never did. Yes, it was all over the news, but they literally didn't. Go be angry at media for making stuff up. You don't have to believe me, go ahead and find that announcement yourself. You won't because there was never such an announcement.

Notice how even the article you linked doesn't give a full quote? It just quotes someone saying "last version" without any context of the sentence it was used in? I will give you the full quote where that comes form. Someone asked a Microsoft developer what they are currently working on, and the answer was:

”Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”

It is obvious from context "last version" meant "latest version" here. And that misreading of a quote, conveniently not included in most articles, is the only source for all these news. No announcement. No journalist actually asking Microsoft about it. Just a fleeting comment by one Microsoft employee that obviously meant something else, in an answer about something else, but why let that get in the way of a good story.

And this was an answer to an audience question in a "Tiles, Notifications, and Action Center” presentation by a single Microsoft developer, on a developer conference. The absolute last place to look for a ground-breaking announcement about Microsoft's future.

The company said it had yet to decide on what to call the operating system beyond Windows 10.

And the exact same article you linked confirms Microsoft is still deciding on the name for the next Windows? Which would make no sense if there was no next Windows?

"There will be no Windows 11," warned Steve Kleynhans, a research vice-president at analyst firm Gartner.

There will be no Windows 11, says some guy who doesn't work at Microsoft.

And then a bunch of cherry picked quotes about continous updates being a good thing. Yep, continous updates, just like we got in Windows Vista, and that have nothing to do with there not being new Windows versions.

Modern journalism is useless. Someone made up a thing, everyone else copied it. And not a single media outlet actually asked Microsoft about it. No one. Or maybe they did, but the answer meant there is no news, so let's ignore it.

Win 2k pro was best. Fight me;) I hated the fisher price look of XP.

IDK I liked 7 pretty much as much as I like XP. For me it was 10 that was just alright.

My brother convinced me to switch to 11 when I built my most recent gaming desktop and I somewhat regret listening to him but I know dual booting is a waste of time for me and I'm not quite ready to make the full jump to Linux because my desktop has a 4070 Super. It'll ahve to wait until my next PC. Fortunately, I don't have the version of 11 with Recall pre-installed at least.

I use my Steam Deck more than my gaming desktop these days anyway.

May you run into a nerd with a Ventoy USB full of beginner-friendly distros in their back pocket to help you along your journey.

There are at least two of us out there, I’m sure of it.

Do it.

If you have an old laptop, put Linux on it, get comfortable using it. Then when you are ready, make the full switch on your main computer.

I have used Linux for a few years mostly on my servers, but that's what I did to get used to the desktop experience. I setup a second SSD to have the option of dual booting if I needed it. That was back in March and I haven't booted into Windows once.

And windows 10 will be the last windows. Did everyone forget that??

The issue isn’t so much about the actual OS change, as it is about their dumb forced requirement of a TPM. A lot of perfectly fine PC’s don’t have one or don’t have it enabled, as it can cause headaches. If they dropped that requirement, a lot fewer people would care about the switch.

I’ve got an ROG B550E motherboard in my PC, built in July 2021. It’s perfectly fine, perfectly capable. Big ‘ole 3090 in it, plenty of ram… I have zero need to upgrade right now.

It has a firmware TPM option, but that involves doing stuff like updating the bios, configuring some stuff and runs the risk of potentially breaking something. Now, I’m willing to give that a go if push comes to shove, but your average consumer just doesn’t want to deal with that hassle.

Which means that a lot of folks are going to be running an unsupported OS or buying new PC’s when the old ones are still more than capable. You can guess what I think will happen…