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This study investigates the presence of left-wing extremism on the Lemmygrad.ml instance of the decentralized social media platform Lemmy, from its launch in 2019 up to a month after the bans of the subreddits r/GenZedong and r/GenZhou.

We conduct a temporal analysis on Lemmygrad.ml’s user activity, with also measuring the degree of highly abusive or hateful content. Furthermore, we explore the content of their posts using a transformer-based topic modeling approach.

Our findings reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad.ml.

We also identify posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content.

Overall, our findings contribute to a more nuanced understanding of political extremism within decentralized social networks and emphasize the necessity of analyzing both ends of the political spectrum in research.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/40188039

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[–] Monstertruckenjoyer@hexbear.net 92 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

They love to say this, then they try it and get completely called out and banned within 30 minutes

[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 49 points 2 days ago

Meanwhile, the average liberal.

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 36 points 2 days ago

I mean you can just take the opposite of the US foreign policy position on any given issue and >90% of the time you'll be on the right side of history. What makes chuds easy to spot is that they can't help doing something racist while they're at it.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 54 points 2 days ago

Every time they try this they give themselves away by trying to say Comrade Putin or something transphobic

[–] Vanilla987654321@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 days ago

Proceeds to immediately out themselves by saying racist shit directed towards Palestinians, Roma or Russians.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago

A lemmitor making bad faith arguments and making shit up? Well I never—

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 67 points 2 days ago (23 children)

Behold: the stunning incompetencd rife in academia. One does not need to understand a subject matter or produce an interesting and well-executed result, they must only please their funders and publish. There are errors all over the place, beginning with the basic premise of not critically examining their loaded term, "extremism", but I'll point out things I found funny.

The two most popular communities, c/genzhouarchive and c/genzedong, are related to left-wing extremist subreddits that have faced restrictions from Reddit

c/genzhouarchive, as you might guess from the name, is an archive basically bereft of user interaction. It just reproduces the posts from the subreddit and naturally hasn't had new posts in two years. They call this the "most popular" presumably because it has the most posts but refused to rub their big braincells together long enough to understand its content... again, obvious from even just the name.

where r/GenZedong was quarantined for spreading misinformation (Chow 2022)

Again a loaded term that goes uncritically examined. The factual accuracy of what is said is never contended with in this article nor the citation. Per the citation it is misinformation because Reddit the company said it and some Reddit users made allegations.

This is also a subgenre of academic grifting and it goes hand in hand with these "topix modeling" papers that look at Reddit, Twitter, etc. It is primarily a way to receive funding from liberal institutions to "understand misinformation" etc on social media and they all use the same vacuous terminology and methods of investigation, generally without critical investigation of the meaning of their own work. Meaning it simply asserted, simplistically.

Our manual inspection on the banners of these subreddits finds that they fit Petterson’s description of contemporary tankies (Petterson 2020)

lmao they put quotes around so many terms but not tankies. The axe-grinding political incompetents can't hide their angle despite the pretenses.

Also their citation is to a "biblical studies" journal and article by a big Foucault fan. The authors presumably have no idea who Foucault is and cited this just to have a citation for the word tankie, something I find amusing.

Temporal Analysis

They created an entire plot and wrote sentences about how the genzhou archive stopped having posts because it is an archive and got banned from Reddit. So they did understand it as an archive but still say "most popular" out of incredible intellectual laziness. And then waste time saying anything more about it, including posts going down when the thing it copies from goes away. lmao.

The same plot shows genzedong posts rocketing after the subreddit is banned. It was a life raft community. That means the thing it was meant to do happenes. This fact is never mentioned, it is jist characterized as "when banned extremists go elsewhere", wow what an analysis.

Monthly Perspective Analysi

These people are so lazy they didn't even do their own sentiment modeling. They just sent posts to a Google API and accepted the results for things like "severe profanity" and "identity attack". What those mean is never questioned. Is this article full of identity attacks because it uses the term tankie? The authors could never think to ask that kind of question.

Anyways this laziness reminds me of many academics I've known. Real grifters that think highly of themselves but always take the easiest path that sounds high tech because it means more funding and press.

They do not provide a single example of how a given post correlates to a given set of topic scores, sentiments, etc. The results are simply accepted. This is classic lazy academic behavior when it comes to "analyzing" social media. What they actually want to do, but never state, is to produce some pretty graphics by turning a mass corpus of posts into categorized numbers, sometimes as a network, and to say some meaningless garbage about the results to fit some agenda.

Topic Analysis

Here they seem to have actually run some models, though again using someone else's package. The choice of this package is never explained. They do mention its basic attributes in order to embed like 5 more pointless citations, though.

The top topic from their fancy analysis? "ridic, neatza, totes". Wow, you sure did extract data! So meaningful! The second? "xd, tysm, ja" Lmao. The third? "dprk, korea, kim" finally, a topic! The tankies discussed the DPRK around this time! Amazing! Anything more to say about that? No? Cool! Great work!

They then say that the users of a communist country support the DPRK and China (but how!?) and cherry pick an example of antisemitism that was from a user that was banned 5 years ago, i.e. long before this article was written. They do not mention that this person was banned nor that the antisemitism was called out. They leave it implied that banned comments are actually representative of the community. Liberal academics premise their existence on incuriosity and dishonesty.

It is interesting to note that there are 3 years of more recent material that they did not "analyze". Conspicuously they only cover a couple months after the genzedong and genzhou quarantines/bans despite showing and modeling years prior. It is conspicuous. They do have more recent citations, however. I wonder if they were just lazy or incompetent or if they have just been shopping this thing around for 3 years and couldn't be asked to update their plots.

Either way, this is basically incomoetent Masters student level work that should never have been published. It waa presented at some recent conference.

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Also their citation is to a "biblical studies" journal and article by a big Foucault fan. The authors presumably have no idea who Foucault is and cited this just to have a citation for the word tankie, something I find amusing.

@PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net owned by FACTS and LOGIC

Edit: Forgot he got banned, lol

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The entire point of this horseshit article is to academify neoliberal propaganda. It becomes Official Scientific Truth^TM^ since they did Science^TM^ stuff (bringing up a bunch of contextless numbers and stating a conclusion) before coincidentally reaching a finding that confirms their preconceived ideas word-for-word.

The authors are priests of neoliberal ideology literally paid by their university’s donor ghouls to churn out neoliberal propaganda. They’ve turned academic dishonesty into a profession

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, absolutely. There's a self-reinforcing publication process for this, where once there are enough papers to cite you can just keep writing the same basic things over and over again, asserting them to be true because Dr. Adolph Mussolini et al said so in 2023 and the Freedom Burger Eagle Institute confirmed it in 2024 (neither substantiated the claim). And now there are 3 to cite for the next ghouls, and so on, and then you can start a Lemmy Extremism Studies Working Group funded by the German government and start making your own conferences and journals and so on ad infinitum so long as funding keeps coming in.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Turn made up bullshit into unquestionable gospel with this one simple trick!

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

Indeed! This is basically what Adrian Zenz and his collaborators did.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They hide behind terminology, all the while making a mockery of academic ethics and a correct method of gathering and interpreting data. Like you said, no actual explanation of what "defending China" constitutes as, or why this is bad, or how there is misinformation involved.

You can probably find papers published by their own professors in five min of searching that actually analyze those questions, but these idiots just take it as an article of faith that "thing=bad" and that that is enough.

These types are profoundly incurious about the world. It is all about repackaging what they have been told. Again, articles of faith.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They’re just taking liberal bullshit they heard from the media and giving it an academic veneer, which the aforementioned liberal media will then cite as fact. It’s a bullshit ouroboros.

1. State department cooks up some new bullshit (tankies have cooties).

2. State department bots spread the claim on reddit-logo. Idiots breathlessly regurgitate it.

3. “Respectable” outlets cite random reddit-logo fascists to say that tankies have cooties.

4. Wizened “academics” read their favorite liberal slop magazines and learn that tankies have cooties.

5. Said “academics” come up with the conclusion that tankies have cooties and bullshit the rest of the paper.

6. Other “academics” cite said paper to say that tankies have cooties.

7. Media cites “multiple independent Scientific Studies^TM^” (never mind the million dollar grant from the Adolf Hitler Institute for Political Studies) proving that tankies have cooties.

8. “Tankies have cooties” becomes an established fact substantiated by the literature.

It’s more obvious in this case because of just how badly written and nakedly dishonest the article is, but it’s not anything new. Ghouls donate a cumulative billions to Western universities every year with the understanding that the neoliberal ideology factories will churn this kind of slop out to drown the Western mind in a deluge of bullshit.

And they don’t even have to hand over bags of money with dollar signs on them to get academics to write this shit, they have been immersed in ideology for so long that they actually believe they are making valuable contributions to the field (and in a sense, they are; it’s a return-on-investment for the aforementioned ghouls).

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Taking things=bad as an article of faith is basically the entire premise of social media analysis papers. They're very fed-coded and are virtually all published by grants to combat "misinformation", which is vaguely defined and mostly seems to mean, "whatever is against the ruling class liberal status quo PR teams want to be true today".

Here is a Nature paper in this vein about "pro-Russian misinformation" from just last year: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-60653-y . It is just as meaningless and thing=bad-y as this post's paper, but it is written better, has better graphics, uses more sophisticated jargon, and comes from a more prestigious group.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

Yeah I don't read a ton of papers on social media, but from what I have, they really do trend towards just data and then a statement that each input means a certain thing full stop. Even when not about politics. It is like the bottom of the barrel for academia

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 79 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Imagine putting your name on this embarrassing shit as a serious academic and using the word tankie in your paper.

It's larping, but as academics. At least the far right larp as like navy seals or militia that go outside lmao. Instead liberals larp as academics without any of the seriousness or rigor.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I regret to inform you that this is fairly representative of liberal academic "analysis" of social media. The authors are just less competent at covering their asses with jargon and pretty plots.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 38 points 2 days ago (4 children)

See: the “academic analysis” of 2016 social media that “proved” Russian propaganda swayed the vote for Trump without offering up a single voter whose mind was changed by it.

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[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 74 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We also identify posts that support authoritarian regimes, endorse the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and feature anti-Zionist and antisemitic content.

What an incredible sentence

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago

Israel is not authoritarian very-smart

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 59 points 2 days ago (2 children)

left-wing extremist (specifically, tankie)

I am a serious academic

[–] axont@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Me writing a serious paper about the 1844 presidential election:

while the hangwringing lib branch of the Democrats favored Martin van Buren, James K. Polk soon clenched victory through his support among treatlerite hogs

[–] shath@hexbear.net 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

this made me crack up

check the source on how he defines a tankie also

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Apostles of Revolution? Marxism and Biblical Studies

Oh come ON

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[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

no mention of hexbear

are we cooked

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

not enough beanis posting to be noticed I guess :/... sad times

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 44 points 2 days ago

I'm going to do an intensive scientific analysis of the inside of my toilet after I decentralize my bowels into it.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 70 points 2 days ago (7 children)

It’s unbelievably easy to blend into a tankie crowd, there is absolutely no nuance required. I’d even go so far as to say that a nuanced take of any kind actually makes you stick out.

West = Every single thing Bad. China = every single thing Perfect.

Master that formula and you’re golden.

lol. We definitely don't criticize China on here at all. I guess because our criticism is ironically more nuanced than "Tin Omen 1984 authoritarians", they think it's not critical enough.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
It’s unbelievably easy to blend into a tankie crowd, there is absolutely no nuance required. I’d even go so far as to say that a nuanced take of any kind actually makes you stick out.

West = Every single thing Bad. China = every single thing Perfect.

Master that formula and you’re golden.

This is so stupid because the neoliberal world view is the exact same fucking thing but mirrored.

Anyone that doesn't want to submit to western supremacy = bad.

Everyone that does submit to western supremacy = good strategic allies.

Master that formula and you're golden.

They have absolutely no self awareness. They've learned nothing. They've not thought one bit about what the current global situation is, they do not understand dialectics. Ironically the smarter neoliberals DO and they're properly waging this conflict while understanding the sides and why people support one side or the other.

Imperialism vs anti-imperialism is the primary contradiction of the current world.

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 68 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lemmygrad.ml from its inception in 2019 to one month after the migration of left-wing extremist (specifically, tankie)

I'm a very serious academic

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[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 56 points 2 days ago

uses "tankies" unironically

deeply unserious

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 54 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

What the hell are some of these keyword groupings???

Discussing the contentious topic of checks notes "xd, tysm, ja"...

Also throwing in "Jews, Jewish" with "Israel" while not including "zionism, zionists" is very telling on themselves.

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Looking into the authors, the same trio published this in 2023: https://gnet-research.org/2023/10/02/tankies-a-data-driven-understanding-of-left-wing-extremists-on-social-media/

[Jeremy Blackburn's] award-winning research into understanding toxic behaviour, hate speech, and fringe and extremist Web communities has been covered in the press by The Washington Post, the New York Times, and Infowars, among others.

WAIT, INFOWARS!? WHAT!?

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Overall, that paper is mostly the same as this one, comparing "tankie" subreddits to demsoc and anarchists ones and drawing the same conclusions about "muh extremism".

I then noticed this claim:

[The idea of tankies dismissing the Uyghur genocide] is strengthened by reports of r/GenZedong (a tankie subreddit) showing aggression towards Uyghurs online.

Seemed suspicious. They cite a Time article about harrassment on Reddit that mentions in passing:

In subreddits about China like r/sino and r/genzedong, users attack Uyghurs and promote violence against them.

The sources for these two claims are two posts on r/chinareddits. This is like Ethan Klein sourcing all his Hasan footage from r/destiny. The post for the latter claim has been deleted by the creator, but for "users [verbally] attacking Uyghurs" the evidence is this:

Users piling on a "Uyghur activist" who works in motherfuckin' Guantanamo Bay.

And just this one person, so talking about harrassmnt of "Uyghurs" plural is unsubstantiated extrapolation.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Haha, I remember that shitshow, even for reddit-logo it was a little too much to claim that Uyghurs in Guantanamo Bay had it better than the ones living normal lives in China.

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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

morshupls Using a temporal transformer analysis of us conflating Judiasm and Zionism along with nuanced polar binary scoring according to a decentralized Nazis Are Taking Over modeling standards with a specific emphasis on horsepoo-theory migration patrerns.

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[–] lelkins@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

ay mates, ~~lelkins~~ lemmygrad person here

i find the keywords hilarious, how the fuck are the top words just romanian slang for "good morning" AND the romanian word for "raise or carry something"? i could've said "lol i did that" but i barely speak romanian here

also lmao tankie, loool taonkie look we are smart we use words like TENCHI end REDFAȘ

don't professional research papers require professional research words? i wasn't allowed to write short versions of "do not" or "was not" in my uni paper!!

also what do they mean by toxic? if i was the same way with the same shitposts but on reddit for example, i'd be given death threats becAUSE THAT FUCKING HAPPENED TO ME EVERY TIME I WAS IN PUBLIC AS A LIBERAL BACK IN THE DAY

THIS IS THE LEAST TOXIC PLACE IF YOU ARE A NICE PERSON. IF I WAS POSTING MY DRAWINGS ANYWHERE BUT HERE AND LEMMYGRAD I'D BE PUT IN A CRINGE COMPILATION, OKAY?! GOD. DAMMIT.

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 75 points 2 days ago (2 children)

the study's authors wanted to analyse hexbear but preliminary investigation led to them concluding that the site's userbase was made up of moderate liberals

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[–] TerrificBeanOnOwl@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing this two years ago and it's the same authors, makes it even funnier that they're still doing this lmao.

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