i don't think it has anything to do with D+ or over saturation. Including movies, (with a few exceptions) Marvel has been making mediocre-to-bad stuff since Endgame and Star Wars really the entire time Disney has had it.

I guess D+ added more volume of junk, but to me it really is as simple as "just make good stuff". If it's good it's hard to over saturate.

edit: also I am not one of those people who likes to shit on marvel all the time. I loved phases 1-3 and endgame was one of my favorite cinematic experiences ever. I want to like all things marvel, they have just not been firing on all cylinders recently. Pretty much the same with star wars.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Except for Andor, but that was a fluke.

[–] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

A beautiful glorious fluke

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago

This. Its just not that good. I got better things to do with my time than watch mediocre stuff.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When you went to a Star Wars movie, it used to be special,” said a marketing exec from a rival studio

I am not sure if I totally agree with the articles central premise. Star Wars products haven’t been special for decades. It isn’t over saturation, it is just way too much garbage.

There MCU has completely over saturated the market and that was happening before Disney+ was the primary delivery vehicle

[–] OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago

Yeah I remember just getting tired of it around the time the first shows started coming out. It was oversaturating itself for a while before that.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The whole streaming fractionated system sucks. Its funny as all it would take is everyone giving them the middle finger and not subscribing. The fact folks can't do this to punish this corpo dystopia makes me sad for any potential future turnaround.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean this is specifically referring to MCU/Star Wars content suffering, which is almost all on one service.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes which is why I started saying the whole system sucks beyond this one. Its pretty much the same across the board with endless remakes and reuse of ip.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well most TV shows have always been adaptations, remakes in some way. There's still good stuff if you look.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I mean now yeah but not in the past. Im not saying there is absolutely no good things out there and im sure more will eke in but there is so much bad. What im saying is there just is no incentive to do better since people keep up the subscriptions. I sorta wish everyone would just boycott this stuff and force the media companies to earn viewers by making quality shows.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You should have seen TV when I was a kid. Jesus. Despite my fervent nostalgia, I can hardly watch anything from the 70s, 80s, even 90s.

Exception to the rule: MASH was fucking great, though diminished by the laugh track. Without? Some of the finest TV ever filmed.

Despite the hate the final two seasons caught, GoT was rock and fucking roll, had never seen so many people so deeply invested in a TV drama. OK, "who shot JR" was one hell of a summer. :)

Wife and I are watching the new Shogun again. Compared to the 80s version, it's the same story filmed by toddlers. (Respect for the original and the work done! Way ahead of it's time!) My god, it's so far beyond what even the best movies were in the day, I haven't words.

And there's so much more quality TV I haven't scratched the surface. 80s me would have shit kittens to see some of these shows at home, let alone in the theatre.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago

My nostalgia is strong watching buck rogers, space 1999, tos, and so many crappy cartoons.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Eh, most TV shows in the 80s, 90s and 00s were cheap hangout sitcoms, cop shows, medical shows or legal shows. Pretty basic stuff. TV now is much more adventurous than then.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well yeah a split between comedy and drama. I would say 90's were better than the 80's and felt like the aughts was where you got all the consolidation and plethora of cheap reality shows. I sorta feel like now technology made cheap adventure shows easier to do so they took the place of reality tv.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You would never get shows like Foundation, or House of the Dragon, or Fallout or Silo or For All Mankind in the 90s or 00s.

Plus we now have a plethora of international content.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I will give you the international but like all those shows where just sorta alright to me with fallout being on the low side and foundation on the high. Im very happy the special effects are where they are at but I feel the stories could be better and oftentimes by just following the source material better.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Chernobyl, Dark, Severance, Warrior (2019), Succession, Shogun, Andor, Slow Horses, Dopesick, The Pitt, The Expanse, One Hundred Years of Solitude, Babylon Berlin, Beef

I haven't seen all of these, but they're all hgihly rated. Notably the strengths of Foundation, ironically, is where it ignores the source material.

I do agree the 00s and 90s were better for sitcoms though, and episodic shows.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago

Chernobyl was very good as was severance. Expanse was very good but I felt it sorta lost its momentum after a season or two Not sue on andor but like with the madolorian I started to feel if anything with an ip like star wars did not suck it was louded as so awesome. Many of those I have not seen as well but I have sorta given up on media so I will increasingly be unplugged. I guess its more than just media Im really just dissatisfied with the way everything is going and looking to sorta opt out of everything that I don't absolutely need. I have been feeling very learyesque.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Buried in the article is this important line,

Disney+’s demands for content got more ambitious. The company, under CEO Bob Chapek (who was subsequently replaced by a returning Iger)

I know it's easy, but all these problems truly do rest with Bob Chapek. Chapek said more content and more content exclusive to Disney+.

Marvel announcing too many projects and putting out subpar ones? Chapek.

Star Wars announcing too many projects and pushing for more Disney+ content? Chapek.

Dumping fantastic Pixar films on Disney+? Chapek.

There is a reason he was replaced. And since he was replaced...

Marvel put out Thunderbolts* and Fantastic Four, two excellent Marvel films. Yes audiences are still hesitant, gaining them back will be a challenge.

Star Wars put out Andor season 2, one of the best Star Wars related media to be put out in recent history.

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

I haven't read the article and I'm not a licensed Disneyologist, so that's my disclaimer as well as defense for my stupidity.

I have a hard time thinking of this as a curse, though. This was a self-inflicted wound that was predictable. This isn't whoops we accidentally opened the gates of Hell because we didn't know any better. This is we forced a virgin to read some eerie Latin text in a book bound in human skin even though everybody told us it was a terrible idea and now this horny guy with a pitch fork is running around destroying our IP.

[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Disney killed them by releasing slop year after year. Basically flooding the market with shit.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

The "curse" is bad management... but sure, let's pretend it's a mistery to spare the C Suit's feelings

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 2 points 5 days ago

50 years of superhero movies and turns out there's no heroes at all.