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Some things are better. Other things are worse.

I'd still go back to when I was 10 if given the chance tho.

Economically for the working class, no. But it’s undeniably better to be gay or coloured in western countries than it was 30 years ago.

Not I. I grew up thinking overall we were on a good track and humanity would get better. The star trek utopia future type. This started to break apart in the early 90's but I held out hope that tech was going to get us through but that started to fall apart by the late aughts and really by the 20teens is about when I lost most hope. Brexit and the first trump win was pretty much the nails in the coffin. Biden did pretty well considering but you can see how behind we already are and how we would actually have to maintain a decent path in way we just had not for the last couple of decades.

For the middle aged white American or...? Even then, the question seems to mean more as words than as an actual inquiry. It's just too big of a question for it to mean anything. 30 years ago different brown people were getting bombed, for instance!

If we allow for the fact that nuance exists, and apply it to a response, then I agree:

No, things are definitely NOT better in a lot of ways. And I think you summed it up very well.

Times are looking tough right now but the pendulum can swing back at any moment. And when it does we won't be starting back at square one. Might be a few years and a few wars until then. Maybe just an arms race and the odd proxy war. No way to know. All we can do is resist and wait.

According to social psych, this is called reconstructive memory, "reconstructing past behaviour" - tending to underreport bad behaviour and overreport good behaviour, sometimes remisrecalling our past as worse to justify self- improvement.

Times in general? No. Certain aspects? Yes, even with fascist rule.

I don't think they are at all.

Crime has declined by 50% or more beginning in the mid to late 1980s and early 1990. While we still have some of the highest crime rates compared to other developed countries. I still think that this is something to be proud of.

Also we are improving our urban planning to make our cities more walkabke, bicyclable, and livable.

I guess it depends on the person. 30 years ago, I was actually living and working in the US. I was driving a 1988 Volvo 760. I was still driving it 10 years later; best car I've ever had. Gas was under a buck. Interest rates were so high that once I got some savings, I lived off the interest and ended up saving 80% of my salary (years later, when the rates went down, I used those savings as a down payment for my house). I could get lost for a full day at Borders. I was able to hitchhike up the east coast, get odd jobs without any resumes or background checks, while on a road trip across the continent. There was a lot of new and exciting technology: CD's and discmen, computers and the beginnings of the Internet. I read the news via Gopher (unless it was Sunday, then I bought the papers for grocery coupons). I feel that now there are too many limits on people. Lots of them are self-inflicted: I'm middle aged and with kids, so I need to be far more responsible. But when I look at my kids, I feel that they won't have the same opportunities I had, for travel, education, personal growth, or independence.

Some things are better. Some things are worse. Some things are about the same.

Yee, unquestionably IMO. There is of course plenty of fucked up shit but we are doubtless better off in America, on the whole, than in 1995.

It really depends where. In the global south? Way better, in China, it's debatable. In Poland, way better. In the US, way worse. In the UK, way worse.

It's good to bring it into perspective with numbers like Hans Rossling used to do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8t4k0Q8e8Y sadly he died and nobody took this over after him to visualize data in this way so publicly yet.

In the 90s, people's minds were blown by Crash Bandikoot, now I play Balatro and Hollow Knight. Sometimes I play The Finals, a 3D game so realistic you need to use a sniper scope to see textures, and buildings can be completely destroyed every match. While this may blow the minds of most people in the 90s, honestly it doesn't even phase me, Balatro and Hollow Knight are so good, I prefer them most days.

Yeah, this is way better.

well things are certainly better for me...

I wanted to post that we were in the hight of the cold war 30 years ago but then I calculated and now I am sad

30 years ago we had a future to look to

You were less cynical, I remember people in the 90s saying the world was shit and getting worse, that there was no future.

the unshittified internet

Do you really remember the internet back then? Of course it wasn't enshittified, there were only dozens of people online. And it really depends on what you mean with enshittified, the designs were horrible and polluted, sure it didn't had ads, but realistically even a page with adds nowadays is more readable than most websites back then, with tiling images background, gifs everywhere and interesting font choices.

I'm sure that the vast majority of stuff you do online today wasn't available in 95, so yeah, it might have become "enshittified" but it also became usable, and a shitty usable thing is better than a pure useless thing in my book.

great music

That is relative, I bet young people today feel 90s music was good and old people feel it was bad, because it depends on the age you had at the time. Generally we tend to think that the music that was popular in our group when we were around 14 to be good, so I bet that 14 YO today love today's music, and telling them their music is bad sounds exactly the same as when old people used to tell us that the music was better in their times.

affordable land/housing

Was it though? Let's pick a place, let's say NY since it's a well known city worldwide, minimum wage was apparently $4.25 and an apartment in NY costed $328 per sqft (as best as I can find out), this means that you had to work 30 years with all your money going into an apartment to afford it. So no, it wasn't affordable, it's become worse since then, but it wasn't the wonderful past where everyone could buy a house that you seem to think it was.

affordable durable cars

Is it though? Most cars from the 90s are in dumpsters by now, they consumed so much gas that it simply wasn't worth keeping them. And by the 90s cars had already started using electronics so they don't even have the appeal that a purely mechanical car from the 60s brings to the table. Also again with the affordability probably wasn't all that much better than now, where you can probably get a used car for very cheap.

people actually interacted in real life

People still interact in real life, go check meetups or other local events. In fact we have more opportunities to interact in real life today because we can look for stuff that interest you to check out, I. The 90s it was my experience you mostly always hanged up with that same people in the same place because you never knew what else was happening in the city.

no social media trash

No social media at all, social media is not 100% bad, you're using one now

Now, we have billionaires

Those already existed back then, in fact they were mostly the same people. Also they had a lot more control over the media back then because without social media and internet there were no alternatives to mainstream media which is almost entirely controlled by billionaires. So long story short, the problem was already there, you just weren't aware of it.

and LLMs.

What about LLMs? They're great tools for brainstorming and getting unstuck, but beyond that they're very limited and are a huge money sink that companies are desperately throwing money to try to get something out, but so far they haven't delivered. Yes there are people getting fired because of LLMs, and it really sucks for them, and I wish they had a good social net to catch them during this time, but honestly I think we're about to hit a turning point in the coming years where companies will understand that LLMs are all promise no pay (plus a few lawsuits from big companies getting their copyright infringed on will help) and will hire those people back.

I don't see how anyone can possibly think times are better or going to improve.

Like you mentioned, civil rights are at an all time high, even with conservatives worldwide trying to revert the situation LGBTQ+ are well more accepted now than what they were in the 90s; Interracial couples is not a debatable topic anymore outside of the Klan; Smoking indoors has been banned and marijuana has been mostly legalized; Cars are lots more fuel efficient and that's without mentioning EVs; Billionaires are still a problem, but as a society they're now being criticized out in the open, whereas before they were not even discussed at all; Crime is at an all time low, and reporting percentage is better than ever (as in people didn't used to report crimes), not to mention that we have a lot more crimes being recognized (Marital rape wasn't even a crime until 93 in the US), and we have become a lot better at preventing innocents from being arrested and freeing the ones that had in the past; Life expectancy at an all time high, and medicine has become lots more affordable (although this might not be the case for the US, but it is worldwide) and better; Technology has not only advanced drastically, but it has become a lot more accessible both in terms of price and usability; Workers right have increased significantly, and work life balance is a lot better in general terms; etc, etc, etc, we tend to only remember the good things of the past and look at it with pink glasses, but in reality if you were to suddenly be transported back to 95 you would probably find it a worse time than today by most day-to-day metrics.