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[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

These extensions use MellowTel-js. After this article from ArsTechnica went live, the developer responded in full detail and transparency.

If you’re a Dark Reader user (as that’s one of the most widely used extensions), definitely read MellowTel’s response on how their technology works. It made me realize the Ars article was not fully vetted.

https://www.mellowtel.com/blog/responding-to-ars-technica-and-mellow-drama-article

Edit: Dark Reader on this list is actually a knock off version just for Edge browser only - it’s not the widely used Dark Reader that’s on multiple browser engines. See another user’s comment that replied to me.

[–] MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

This needs to be upvoted to the top

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Still sounds gross. While the developer might have opted in to selling your processing power to scrape websites, I doubt the users of each extension opted in.

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Still sounds gross. While the developer might have opted in to selling your processing power to scrape websites, I doubt the users of each extension opted in.

Response from the developer:

" Users who want to support a free software product or creator can decide to opt-in to share their bandwidth. ... Developers can decide to offer them additional features and content or simply use the money to keep the products free and available."

On User Consent:

"Our approach is always opt-out by default. I'll write more below on how we are going about enforcing it now as part of a stricter approach to maintaining a transparent ecosystem. We provide default opt-in/out hosted pages to simplify asking consent and have left this page where users can see all the plugins to which they have opted-in and manage their settings with no developer as an intermediary: mellow.tel/user-control."

In other words, users are opted-out by default. They can also go to that web site, and when they click the link, the page checks which extensions are installed in the browser and whether or not you opted in.

On Opt-In Enforcement:

Ars Technica article states there are "no checks to determine if a real user knows what they are approving or to determine if the developer just opts all users in on their behalf".

"We do have a page where users can go and see if they are opted-in or have been opted in without their knowledge from the developer: mellow.tel/user-control. But you are right and we should do more. We have started enforcing the opt-in policy from today (by simply checking each integration and not sending requests to those that don't show an opt-in) and will be doubling down on that in the coming days. Each new websocket request from an unknown integration will be quarantined and we won't allow requests to go through until we have controlled the integration is compliant and is asking users to opt-in + is leaving an opt-out option clearly visible. We will also start enforcing routine checks on our Mellowtel integrations to create a transparent environment."

In other words, the Mellow.tel developer has it set to always opt-out by default. However, developers of extensions may just opt-in the users without consent - which, I agree with you is gross. It's possible those developers don't explain the full implications. Now, the Mellow.tel developer is putting in remediations to ensure that the opt-in policy is enforced, and users will have more exposure to knowing whether or not this is happening. Meaning, they're going to try to enforce default opt-out (as they stated this was always their policy), and make it easier for users to know they get opted in.

On Personally Identifiable Information and Monetisation:

The developers basically claims everything is anonymized. And the way they make money is, if you opt-in, you share "a fraction of your bandwidth" when browsing the web, fetching from a server, etc. They don't collect or sell your user data because they aren't advertising, and their business model is not advertising.

"all [Response data] is completely anonymous, it doesn't point back to any user, and isn't stored except the minimum time to at on it... Location - The only information used is country level (e.g., US, ES, DE), [and] it isn't associated with any Personally-Identifiable-Information (PII) at all."

So my conclusion - I care about my privacy. I don't like being opted into things without my consent. According to this developer's response, they never did. They're trying to come up with a model to help the web stay free. Who knows if this will be viable or not. Developers of extensions can leverage this stuff, and in the past, some of those developers may have opted users in without their consent (or without full transparency or understanding of how this was happening). Even if a user was "opted in", it doesn't appear to be a significant impact to privacy as they have their source code published, processing happens locally on the user's device, and the data that gets process is not transmitted, sold, or even have any identifiers. In fact, the data they claim is quite sparse to the extent that it's limited to bandwidth allotment, country, and simple "keep alive" checks (heartbeat). Now I don't have any association with this company, know this developer, nor do I have any stakes at all in this. This just caught my attention and I Had to read and learn more about it, and assess whether or not it affects my privacy threat model (it doesn't for me, simply because none of the extensions I use have this thing).

For my background - I'm a software engineer for a SaaS provider. My company processes observability telemetry, and we assist customers to instrument agents in their environments (server, machines, clusters, DB, and end-user devices like browsers and mobile devices) to collect metrics to enable observability of their platform, and generate automatic application topology. Also a suite of tools to examine metrics and dynamic baselines, health rules for baseline deviations or other anomalies, analytics, user queries, complete business transaction view, incident remediation, etc. However, I have no background whatsoever in security. So I can't comment on the security point because I don't have a cyber security background. I'm only going off what the developer said, and it made sense to me. But I'd defer to a person with cyber security expertise to comment here.

Edit: Added some additional context, fixed some spelling.

[–] 7eter@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Nice, thanks for discovering that. I wasn’t aware there was a rip off version of it.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I use the inbuild Dark Mode in Vivaldi (on/off with shortcut, wors even in intern pages and menus) and none of the extensions from the list, most extensions from the Store anyway are redundant in Vivaldi translation, reader mode, tabs, feeds, ad/tracker blocker..........)

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[–] Beryl@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 days ago

It's disheartening seeing screen readers on this list. That seems predatory.

[–] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'll save everybody a click because it's what we all want to know. "Dog Facts Unlimited" extension is on the list.

[–] Stewbs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Cat Facts Unleashed" too.... My heart is sinking and I am dying now....

[–] Pirate@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago

My disappointment is immesurable and my day is ruined.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

fuck... 😭

[–] randomcruft@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago

Thank you so much for this!!

[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dark Reader is on the list :(

[–] 7eter@feddit.org 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is not THE Dark Reader! Only this knock off for the edge browser is affected.

[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago

Oh wow thanks for letting me know!

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

youtube unhook is too. very dissappointing they were both recommended by mozilla.

we really need a better way to audit these extensions.... and now we really need a new dark mode extension.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh shit. I used to use this but removed later after realizing it wasn't open source.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

i thought it was 😭

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 2 days ago

Damn now how am I gonna live without "Change my cursor to Sims 4"?

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Definitely read the original SecureAnnex article as well. The behavior of this software and the people behind it are damning.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

Related turn your app into a residential proxy.

Ethical way to monetize apps on Windows, Android, and Fire Stick

By ethical it means you bury an agreement in the terms and services.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago
[–] DuskyRo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I used Youtube unhook in the past but before the AI craze so I'm probably good.

I know a lot of people use Dark Reader so that's gotta hurt.

Other than that I think I'm safe.

[–] 7eter@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The popular Dark Reader is not affected by this.

Only this knock off for the edge browser. Source

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I see Dark Reader for Edge but not Firefox. Are they the same extension?

[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 days ago

This is from Mozilla

Dark Reader doesn't show ads and doesn't send user's data anywhere. It is fully open-source https://github.com/darkreader/darkreader

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/android/addon/darkreader/

[–] quantumcrop@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They seem to all link back to the same github page.

https://github.com/darkreader/darkreader

Edit: not the same one as on the list