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More than 20 countries are convening in Bogota next week to declare “concrete measures against Israel’s violations of international law”, diplomats told Middle East Eye.

The “emergency summit” is due to be held on 15-16 July, co-hosted by the governments of Colombia and South Africa as co-chairs of The Hague Group, to coordinate diplomatic and legal action to counter what they describe as “a climate of impunity” enabled by Israel and its powerful allies.

The founding members of the group included Bolivia, Colombia, Cuba, Honduras, Malaysia, Namibia, Senegal and South Africa.

States due to take part in the summit include Algeria, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, China, Cuba, Djibouti, Honduras, Indonesia, Ireland, Lebanon, Malaysia, Namibia, Nicaragua, Oman, Portugal, Spain, Qatar, Turkey, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Uruguay, and Palestine.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Fuck yes! It's about time.

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago

of all these countries that are taking measures against the settler entity, what surprises me is that 1) china didn't took action before; 2) portugal is taking action despite montenegro; and 3) chile is taking action despite boric.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Spain doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the title. Pedro Sanchez has been consistently talking against Israel but supporting it materially, same shit with the NATO rearmament, he said Spain is not going to sign the agreement after literally signing the agreement.

[–] edel@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If you understand the intricacies of Spain.

Spaniards has been very sympathetic to Palestine since decades ago, but the current coalition government is very week. Spain, unlike countries in Latin America or Ireland does have a significant trade with Israel so it has more to loose with commerce restrictions. Let's no mention the amount of pressure Spanish politicians must be facing from US and Germany for its stands on Gaza.

Of course, Spain should do more, but I have a feeling US will penalize it heavily and the extremely fragile government coalition would fall and elections would be called. In this elections, a notable winner would be VOX as the king maker, a party, kid you not, financed early on by anti-iranian groups (AKA... Israel!!). Spain is doing A LOT given the circumstances.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I understand, which is why i understand why Pedro Sanchez has to give lip service to the palestinian struggle, but in reality they don't do anything about it. Paying lip service while actually supporting Israel is as bad as just uncritically supporting Israel.

[–] edel@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

I disagree, You insinuate that Spain acts like Turkey or Saudi Arabia with their leaders saying one thing while completely at the service of Israel. Spain's case is very different, its position inspires to many people worldwide. It is not revolutionary, it does not do justice to the severity of the issue, but it is a beginning of the West to start awaken to the reality. if you take the premise his coalition will fall and loose elections, it is better to resist with little deeds than succumb and another flame of hope vanishes.

Now, Spain may not doing much, but it does not support Israel and Israel is furious at Spain and most likely actively doing covert work to both undermine Sanchez and Spain. Spain banned selling weapons and the usage of its ports to transport of weapons and its components to Israel... if all countries did just that Israel would have behaved long ago.

I think your are based in Mexico, your government has a similar stand as Spain, but as Spain, it has most of its trade with the devil in the north so you have to be pragmatic and make your stand without unleashing havoc to your own people.

Great oaks from little acorns grow.... Mexico and Spain are two of them, and both face similar animosities from their norther neighbors for their standing.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

I’m always skeptical when I read about something good Spain has done

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'd take out Ireland faster than Spain. Spain is not scott free but they put in quite some work.

Spain changed the NATO agreement before signing it to make it a useless promise instead of a hard goal.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

they have both done shit except pay lip service to the Palestinians

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Spain literally has done nothing, it's all rhetoric it's what i am saying. Every time Sanchez has made an statement, for example about not trading weapons with Israel, it has been proved that the opposite was happening. Also what are you saying about the NATO agreement? they literally signed it, they just pretended not lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Dsx9OuQC8

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

No this is false. They changed the NATO agreement for Spain. It contained some absolute term like "everyone who signs this should spend 5%" now it contains some vague term like "allies will spend 5%" which Spain can easily say doesn't include them. Not sure about its details or exact terms anymore but here's an article

Spain reaches deal with NATO ahead of summit to be excluded from 5% defense spending goal

Spain also cancelled Israeli rubber bullet purchase and has closed their ports to ships transporting (weapons?) to Israel. Leaked documents also show Spain and Ireland being the primary drivers in the EU for sanctions against Israel.

This is not to say that Spain is doing full BDS, they still have a massive Israeli lobby group there, but they are probably the best of Europe.

Ireland on the other hand has people hating Israel but its government is much more subservient to Israel allowing weapons transports etc.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

This article is all quoting Pedro Sanchez, whom i told you has empty rhetoric, they signed the exact same deal as everyone else and are committed to the spending. This has been a huge scandal for some time already, Pedro Sanchez does the same thing as Trump basically, they try to create a narrative from pure rhetoric to hide the objective reality. This video covers this exact topic btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXYOPIqUiII

Ireland on the other hand has people hating Israel but its government is much more subservient to Israel allowing weapons transports etc.

Which is also exactly what Spain does lol even if Pedro Sanchez claims otherwise, it has been proved time after time.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago

The NATO deal did get adjusted however, and the wording was changed.

I have no doubt that Pedro Sanchez ,whose face is almost as slimy as Mark Rutte, is a chronic liar. However factually some stuff did get cancelled by Spain because their leftists threatened to collapse the government.

There's of course also the recent Israeli arms deal which they did purchase. So Spain doesn't get off scott free. Which is why I said "they are the best of Europe". It is a really low bar.

[–] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What can we realistically expect from this group?

It would be great if they could at least sanction Israel and the US in addition to what some of these states are already doing unilaterally, but short of blocking any further shipping of arms (many of these countries are positioned on or near key straits in the region, I guess) what else can they do other than direct conflict or more performative decrees from the same neoliberal-dominated institutions that are currently failing us?

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

china could do a whole lot, they just doing the most "we don't interfere with other people business" smolbean shit imaginable, they are third largest trading partner to entity. Would be nice if they've had more spine than colombia

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

What can we realistically expect from this group?

nothing

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its only virtue signaling honestly. Spain/Portugal/Qatar/Oman/Turkey are just there to appease their population. The latin american countries there have no influence whatsoever, it's just the asian countries that might do something.

you can put Ireland in the first category too

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good.

Man I really hope this doesn't turn into a proxy war.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One side already has the Western world supporting them. Can't get much worse if the Global South starts arming the resistance except them being able to fight back.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It is objectively the right thing to do and very important, and at the same time, as an American I desperately do not want a proxy war. Donald trump would love to have an excuse to give even more ludicrous amounts of taxpayers dollars to military contractors at a time when no one can afford shit and cost of living is spiking

I really do not want a proxy war 🥹

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You're already in multiple proxy wars, I'm afraid

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Yeaaah. 🥲🥲

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

The US doesn't have the industrial capacity, there's a difference between currency and the actual physical industrialization needed to maintain a proxy war.

[–] Prismaarchives@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

would love to have an excuse to give even more ludicrous amounts of taxpayers dollars to military contractors

The idea that anyone would need an excuse to give military contractors infinite money in this country is the funniest thing I've heard all day.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Fair honestly. I just can't help but think that having an excuse would make it worse 😅

Not sure why people are downvoting me for not wanting a proxy war, that seems like a pretty reasonable way to feel as best I can see...