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edit: seems like some people interpret “full of” as a mathematical majority which, while it may or might not be true instance to instance, isn’t my intent in posting
feel free to swap in “has a lot of” if that’s more familiar language to you :)
i guess, but they voted for that too
the voting rights act was only in 1965. in a significant number of cases, no they did not
the 19th amendment was in 1920. in a significant number of cases, no they could not
it is demonstrably harder to vote if you are poor and harder to vote informedly if you are poor and uneducated all the way through 2025. no they did not vote for this.
thank you for proving exactly why this post needs to exist. class consciousness, not culture war.
people are changing the gerrymandering lines at some regularity and those people and their changes are quite specifically put in place on purpose and the voters continue to go down that road because they want the result of having more voting power. so yeah, they voted for it
I can't do shit about that in Pennsylvania. You'd think there would have been more an effort to disprove the allegations or fix the problems sometime between 1865 and now.
Guess what! People in the south frequently can’t do shit about it either. If you would like to blame this on the people who live there for not voting correctly, please explain to me what you think ‘gerrymandering’ and ‘disenfranchisement’ mean, and what the average person living in the south is supposed to do about this shit being greenlit by SCOTUS.
Both things can be true: vote manipulation measures and voters choosing horribly.
And every time a city tries to do something good, the state steps in and stops it. This happens daily in Birmingham, Alabama where the state is constantly overturning things the city has passed or the state takes the ability away from the city.
There are rights organizations that work across state borders for these causes. Not trying to shame, just putting out there that there are outlets for your talents, time, money, or even just verbal support.
I solve this by not liking anyone anywhere.
I don't care about the color of your skin, your gender identity, your sexual identity, your political identity, what country your from, or your legal status here, I hate all humans equally, I just want to be left alone.
Narrator: And that children was the prophet who taught us to hate equally and mind your damn business.
im a progressive because i want nazis to have healthcare
and im a liberal because i want them to need it
that’s totally okay! this is the politics community not the “who do we like” community lol
Do explain how gerrymandering affects the presidential election. All votes are counted for the entire state.
I get that it affects local elections. That is obvious.
That's actually easy.
The shape of the district gets decided based on the concentration of votes for one party. The goal is to make enough districts with enough concentration of your voters that you always win those districts, and make the rest of the state have few enough districts with enough of a mix of of voters for both parties that A) the for-sure districts can't be lost and B) the not-for-sure districts can never oppose the for-sure districts as long as they remain under your party's control.
So all the rigging party needs to do is campaign enough in the for-sure districts that they can't lose, and campaign enough in the not-for-sure districts that their opponent can't win. And then because of the Electoral College, all of the states votes go to the rigged party.
??? But as the OP said that's not how Presidential elections work. Gerrymandering does not affect presidential elections at all.
As he already said, it affects local elections like Congressional districts.
*with the exception of Nebraska and Maine, who use proportional allocation of electoral votes based on districts.
Not proportional. FPTP per district.
Indirect influence versus direct consequence
I feel less sympathetic for many conservative states than this image would encourage, but even though gerrymandering doesn't impact presidential elections directly it does impact state legislatures who then control the rules around presidential elections.
Every vote is counted, which is why there's focus on voter suppression. If your legislature decides to make it harder to vote in liberal or more densely populated areas, voter turnout will naturally skew conservative. Same for shifting requirements to focus on criteria less often met by demographics that don't support you, or changing the criteria for purging the voter registry and making it harder to register.
Gerrymander secretary of state race
Geryrmander governor race
Gerrymander state Senate and house races
Pass disenfranchisement rules and laws
...?
Profit
Read a bit of the Kemp wiki and found this unrelated gem:
"Georgia was one of 14 states that used electronic voting machines that produced no paper record, which election integrity experts say left elections vulnerable to tampering and technical problems"
Well. I see no problems that could arise from that 😑
I mean, technically still not any gerrymandering in the presidential elections. Just making sure we understand what the word means. Otherwise we can extend the meaning to say something like: poverty leads to zoning of the empoverished which leads to gerrymandering. That doesn't mean that poverty = gerrymandering
Reminder that most states, while the majority may have gone for one candidate or the other, were still mostly under a 60/40 split
The States with the most landslide victory for trump where all northern states, Wyoming, West Virginia, and North Dakota, and even those were just 70/30 splits.
Thats many people who did not want this president. The South is not some unanimous bloc
The fact that Hillary Clinton can get nearly 3 million more votes and lose in 2016, and how Al Gore won the popular vote against George W. Bush in 2000 and somehow Florida, where the governor at the time was Jeb Bush, held significant power in deciding who the next president was going to be, is kinda fucked.
technically the electoral college and gerrymandering are not the same thing, but yeah i would honestly totally agree that the EC belongs in the list of oppressive forces in the meme (i stole the post otherwise i would edit it lol)
no one claimed gerrymandering affects presidential elections, not directly certainly. but local regressive policies and disenfranchisement also hurt oppressed people daily; that’s why all three are up there.
(one could make some pretty valid connections between local elections and lobbying money going towards national campaigns, so we can discuss that if you want but just to keep it accessible and evidence based for now)
Do explain how gerrymandering affects the presidential election. All votes are counted for the entire state.
Do explain how disenfranchisement works.
Also, if you don't understand gerrymandering, here is a great article.
Yeah, I doubt it.
I meant the image for clarification
There’s like a ton of comments in this thread already from people who say “I am a good person on your side being oppressed in this area” but go on tell them they’re wrong about existing lol