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Hello m@teys,

I've been waiting for this a long time (half a year), personally. After seeing the surge in piefed instances, i.e. blahaj, .ca, .zip, quokk.au, and .world creating their own instances, and clients guaranteeing future piefed support, we've been thinking about potentially opening an instance in the future. Not a guarantee, just an idea. This isn't a voting thread, just a discussion. Later on we'll actually vote on this.

Do note that this thread will not guarantee an instance; we are discussing a hypothetical. Suggestions? Ideas? Criticisms? make your voice heard.

Have a good week!

pie picture comes from here

governance type: sense check

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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I don't think it's a good idea, but i don't care so long as the lemmy instance stays open.

I think people's concerns over the politics of the developers are overblown and fragmenting into a new project weakens the fediverse - especially when I don't see anything wrong with the software that is being done differently in piefed.

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[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Some of my thoughts:

I value the community that we have and the style of communication that makes Lemmy different from other forum type software.

I very much dislike the political views of its creators.

I have an account on Piefed and while it's not terrible, it's still not as nice as here. I think it can get there over time.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Thanks for your input. To clarify we don't want a 100% switch, just a new instance alongside this one

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[–] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was hoping a dbzer0 piefed instance would happen sometimes in the future! I would totally use it, since it has some pretty cool features that Lemmy has been quite slow in implementing. For example, merged communities that cover one specific topic.

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[–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't trust Piefed at all - they're far too eager to curate my experience, and they've reintroduced all of the reputation anti-features (plus more) that were part of what drove me away from Reddit and the absence of which is part of what I like about Lemmy and Mbin.

If you're contemplating a second instance, I don't much care, because I can simply not use it. If you're contemplating a move, I think it's an awful idea.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 days ago (12 children)

iirc Piefed started as a small personal project, so it was quite opinionated. Now that there's more users rimu has said he'll make it more neutral, and give more power to instance admins.

And yep, it's a second, separate instance

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[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know much about Piefed. What anti-features are you talking about?

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It tracks karma, automatically collapses replies and hides threads based on downvote thresholds and attaches icons to usernames to tell other users in advance that they have been downvoted in the past. And alongside that, votes are hidden. So a few determined users (or even one determined user and a few bots) can easily silence other users or even effectively censor content just by mass downvoting.

Just like Reddit, and notably NOT like the rest of the threadiverse which has done away with karma, doesn't auto-hide downvoted users or content snd makes votes public.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

votes are hidden.

After having discussed with a few people, Rimu agreed to drop the private voting. The system will switch to two votes button

This provides better transparency than Lemmy, as users are now complaining about tool like lemvotes: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48233901/19876557

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's crazy to see Rodneyck come up in this. I banned that account when it showed up to one of the communities I'm moderating 18 days ago and dropped five downvotes in quick succession. Something lemvotes helped me identify quickly.

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I don't like any of that. Thanks for the explanation.

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[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think I'm for it, but I also don't know if I understand the implications. So, some questions:

  • Is there a downside?

  • Would this be in addition to lemmy or a replacement?

  • If it is in addition to, is that the permanent plan, would this be working toward an eventual switch-over?

I should probably try piefed a bit so I understand it a bit better, but it's just a different Lemmy basically, right? Does it federate with existing Lemmy?

If it doesn't federate with what we already have, I'd have to keep up with two things, and two is a big number, so I'd probably just pick one and stay there.

Anyway, exciting nonetheless. I'll go eat some pie now and see what that's all about.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is there a downside?

Not really, i think. We have the resources, and being an admin isn't too time consuming; surely we can make time for an extra instance.

Would this be in addition to lemmy or a replacement?

Addition

If it is in addition to, is that the permanent plan, would this be working toward an eventual switch-over?

Probably not. There would be way too many potential issues and it's risky.

I should probably try piefed a bit so I understand it a bit better, but it's just a different Lemmy basically, right? Does it federate with existing Lemmy?

Yep. Try https://quokk.au/ (anarchist instance, too!) which is basically the closest thing we have right now

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Piefed federates with lemmy, it's basically a clone written in python instead of rust, with advanced moderator tools, and developed by people who aren't braindead Stalinists.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the explanation!

I did some pierusing and liked what I saw, too.

[–] dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

pierusing

Brilliant pun! 🥧

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[–] confusedwiseman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Growing is usually good. Do the expanded tools to the admins warrant the additional headache?

Sometimes being small and having your own dark little corner of the internet where the “normies” don’t hang out is OK too.

A lot of forums started with a barrier of entry that required a small bit of tech savvy to get there. Not that picking an instance to get on the fediverse is that hard, but if it’s keeping someone at bay, that might be preferable.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

We don't have interest in being mainstream, we like dbzer0 how it is. It's mainly about the faster development/extra features, and shouldn't be a problem to manage

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[–] Taser@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yes, I'm all for it (assuming it wouldn't create too much work for you guys). Not supporting the Lemmy devs is a great idea. Heck, I would have moved completely to one of my piefed accounts if it wasn't for not wanting to abandon this account on db0.

Out of curiosity, would it ever be possible to migrate everyone here over to a piefed instance, allowing you to shut down the Lemmy instance? I'm not suggesting doing that (well, maybe lust a little), but more interested in the technical nature.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is possible, but piefed isn't 100% backwards compatible with lemmy, so stuff like custom-emojis (we don't use them much, but threativore relies on it) wouldn't be imported, since piefed doesn't support it.

And piefed/lemmy use different encryption, so each user would have to reset their password.

[–] Taser@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

And piefed/lemmy use different encryption, so each user would have to reset their password.

Seems like a pretty small price to pay for the benefits of migrating 🤷.

I guess I'm a "yes" vote, officially, now.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

If the piefed instance was on the same domain as this one (lemmy.dbzer0.com) it could in theory work.

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[–] DragonofKnowledge@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Seems like it would be a lot more work and potential attack surface for what's essentially redundant.

Also seeing other comments, I'm out of the loop. What's so bad about the lemmy devs?

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It wouldn't be too much of a burden, and piefed has some very nice additions to what lemmy offers

What's so bad about the lemmy devs?

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43791059

Ah. In that case, why not?

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[–] diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I really hate fragmentation. Linux suffers heavily from it. It creates redundant work. I think duplicate projects are curse on the open source so thats why I am not in favor of that.

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

I agree but at the same time Lemmy devs are problematic to say the least and nothing bad has been uncovered about piefed so far.

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[–] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely! The sooner we have the option to be free of the issues with Lemmy development (or not to the point, developers) the better.

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