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Hello m@teys,

I've been waiting for this a long time (half a year), personally. After seeing the surge in piefed instances, i.e. blahaj, .ca, .zip, quokk.au, and .world creating their own instances, and clients guaranteeing future piefed support, we've been thinking about potentially opening an instance in the future. Not a guarantee, just an idea. This isn't a voting thread, just a discussion. Later on we'll actually vote on this.

Do note that this thread will not guarantee an instance; we are discussing a hypothetical. Suggestions? Ideas? Criticisms? make your voice heard.

Have a good week!

pie picture comes from here

governance type: sense check

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[–] div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

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[–] brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If admins are okay with running both Lemmy and Piefed instances simultaneously then it seems fine IMO.

But otherwise don't feel strongly about it, I don't know that I'd actually use the Piefed instance unless something happens within the Lemmyverse side of things or issues with the dbzer0 Lemmy instance itself.

[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I am only tangentially aware what's going with the developments so far in the developer community. I'm thinking about it and so I'm going back to how I got here from Reddit myself. These are just my two cents.

There some realities to deal with which are end user cases. I think the major push off of reddit to Lemmy was the closing of the third party apps. This is what provided Reddit usability for a large scale of its base. When developers left reddit their userbase went with them because that was the app they liked.

The benefits were clear, safety from enshittification, freedom of speech, and the same advertisement free user experience from third party apps with responsive user interfaces. It's hard to admit there was a swath of users who probably moved because they used SYNC for Android and strongly disliked the mobile reddit UX. That whole period has cooled off now and people probably have less change energy in them now then before.

I would think that that to make a successful leap from Lemmy to Piefed, there would probably have to be a clear migration path that is relatively seamless. All communities, post history, and app compatibility would have to come with it.

Now with that being said, I wouldn't want to burden the maintainers of any instances with additional overhead however I do trust them to be more aware of the inner workings of the systems they host than myself. Sometimes it's worth standing up an environment to see if it's abilities can stand the test of your use case.

For that reason alone I would be for standing up alternatives at least to try them out.

Thanks

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago

I would think that that to make a successful leap from Lemmy to Piefed, there would probably have to be a clear migration path that is relatively seamless. All communities, post history, and app compatibility would have to come with it.

What you describe here is [kinda] possible, at least for the latter. The former is, but that would mean shutting down the lemmy instance and focusing on the piefed one; and we're not planning this

Now with that being said, I wouldn't want to burden the maintainers of any instances with additional overhead however I do trust them to be more aware of the inner workings of the systems they host than myself

No worries, we would be able to handle it fine

Thanks for your reponse!

[–] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Here's my two cents:

Because there's no direct integration with Lemmy, and we start with an empty piefed instance. I'll have to create a user and all that, and I "just" quit Reddit so it's not very appealing to me, even if piefed has better features.

I would create an account if everyone migrates, or if I can click a "move to piefed" button that copies all my comments and posts.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Wdym no direct integration?

Sadly those two are not possible for us to do now, but the lemmy instance will always be the top priority.

[–] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

It would be direct integration (maybe I chose the wrong term) if piefed could share the database with Lemmy, then uses only had to start using the new features in piefed.

Because they are two different activitypub implementations I would not expect easy migration to be possible in the near future or ever, most likely only if it becomes a part of activitypub.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago

Thats not possible, but it is possible to port lemmy -> piefed, but i don't think its a good idea.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I dont really care, but I won't be using piefed. the default UI doesn't allow me to adjust the size of thumbnails as i see fit: tiny and on the left. that's a deal breaker for me, even if it's petty.

I do not like new reddit and i have never liked new reddit and i have tried new reddit and will not be using new reddit. piefed UI is a new reddit ripoff.

or i guess a lot of social media platforms do that layout, Twitter FB insta. thankfully i dont waste my time with that shit either. I waste my time with YOU nerds and I am happy with that

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Piefed has a custom CSS section in the settings that allows you to resize the thumbnails as you see fit

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

interesting! still easier to just not use it than to learn CSS

not to mention, Voyager... like the whole reason I came to Fediverse to begin with was the loss of RIF app

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know any CSS, hopefully other people share theirs: https://piefed.social/post/875579

okay, maybe this is becoming doable

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Voyager has PieFed support now.

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[–] leMe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

i like lemmy a lot. i also like that piefed seems to have better mod tools (at least i am told so). as one of the many people who lost their lemm.ee account to mod burnout, i think the important thing is what you like to work on.

if you can only support one plattform, choose the one you like better - i will most likely follow db0 for its governance.

if you can support both platforms and have fun doing so, i don't see a downside in it.

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[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

A comment I came across a while ago puts it quite well:

I haven't used piefed myself but I wouldn't want to switch to it because I feel like it gives more power to downvotes and karma (or "reputation" as they call it):

  • Comments with -10 score are collapsed by default.
  • People who get downvoted a lot end up with a ‘low reputation’ indicator next to their name. You’ll know it when you see it.
  • Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.

Those are three of the twelve points listed as differences to lemmy on their features page.

I also don't agree with some of the points in their article on "PieFed features for growing healthy communities".

from: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/17119490
the comments' thread is also quite interesting

Plus it's written in Python and has only 1,6k MAUs, so we can only guess how well it scales

Slightly edited from an older comment of mine:

EDIT: as such I believe that operating a Piefed instance would be a waste resources and actually harmful considering the fragmentation it would cause for little to no benefit at all (also it seems much better set up for a new Reddit with all the .world'ers flooding over there and the anti-features)

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[–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My first thought when seeing the pic was "Is it AI?". I need a vacation. From life.

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[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Against this idea as it merely causes significantly more work the instance maintainers with (imo) quite limited benefits. I'd only be in favour if lemmy began crashing and burning for whatever reason.

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why would you go through the pain of maintaining another service? What is the actual benefit for you as an instance manager, but also for the user?

I’d rather have few very good maintained services, than the opposite.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From my admin POV, lemmy lacks in a lot of ways that just makes it harder for me to get stuff done.

From my user POV, lemmy lacks features like flairs/tags, actually working blocking, feeds, etc.

It's not too much of a pain, since dbzer0 doesn't take much work to keep running.

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve been a sys engineer for a long time. You have to know that it just adds up. A tiny service here, a tiny service there, some custom code here and there. If you will fully manage it, go for it. Then piefed will be up as long as you or a successor manages it. This setup will not affect lemmy and db0 and that’s all I want and care for.

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