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Let's see how this plays out lmao

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[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I think this one is my favorite answer so far, besides the ones people have already posted by Monkey_DDD_Luffy:

The primary contradiction in the world is imperialism vs anti-imperialism.

Socialists come down on the side of anti-imperialism.

A lot of the soft-left has an incorrect analysis that Russia is imperialist, this is not correct. It is aspirationally imperialist but the imperialist bloc in the world is the nato block led by the US. Russia in its opposition to this bloc also provides arms and helps in the defence of all the other opponents to the imperialist bloc.

It doesn't do this out of goodness. It is aspirationally imperialist. But this does not matter. The primary contradiction in the world is imperialism vs anti-imperialism. Everything that harms the imperialists increases the sovereignty in the rest of the world. Increasing the sovereignty increases the potential for revolution unimpeded by the mass genocide that the imperialists have carried out dozens of times against communists.


Another way to look at this problem is to do a thought experiment:

Tomorrow, let's say a EU country has a socialist revolution. Who are its enemies? Who are its potential allies? The first thing this new socialist country needs is the capability to defend itself from counter-revolution, they are immediately about to be attacked. Ask yourself who is going to do that attacking, and who and where this new socialist nation is going to get weapons, supplies, logistics and allies from. Is the nato block going to be nice to this new communist-led country? Or is it immediately going to throw it out and start attacking it? Are the nato countries going to arm it or sanction it? Is Russia going to view it as useful to support or as an enemy? China? DPRK? Iran? The global south? This thought experiment will lead you to making the correct analysis about who our potential friends are and who our real enemies are. I don't need to point out what the correct answers are, they are self-evident realities of the current time. Your enemies will become the nato countries, you will need weapons and you will be getting them from russia, and you will need many other things that are going to come from iran, china, potentially the dprk among others.

This is the reality of the world and a lot of the soft-left has never performed this thought experiment to come to the conclusion that while Russia is absolutely not a good country, it is a strategic necessity to socialists and anti-imperialists in the current moment.

Does that mean everyone should become loud mouths about it? Also no. That would be a tactical mistake.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course literally none of the libs in the comments are willing to engage with this comment.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

I noticed that lol. Weird...

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is a good analysis, wtf, I expected a shit response from reddit

[–] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i wont say who but that account is run by a beloved hexbear user lol

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

recognizing hb users on other sites is always fun lol, of course some are much easier than others (for instance, pluto/makan is literally the easiest person to track across the entire internet, stg she could make an account on any site in existence and i'd recognize her within like 3 posts)

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's not helped by the fact we have to have the same conversation three hundred gorillion times and so we end up reusing the same conversation points and patterns over and over to the point where any of us familiar with one another can recognise those patterns.

It might be different if the questions ever changed.

[–] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

that's true yeah. although part of it is that i have a remarkably good memory for random bits of info about people (drives me insane if i meet someone there's a better chance ill remember some random thing they told me rather than their name next time i see them), which makes it easier to idenitfy a hb user when i remember something more unique about them and notice them mentioning or even just posting in a subreddit pertaining to that unique thing

like i said though there are people i can recognize on style alone such as pluto/makan and it would take conscious effort for someone like her to disguise an account lol

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

And the libs don't reply at all to comments like this.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Russia’s finance capital is actively impeding Putin’s effort for implementing import substitution and self-sufficiency. Their central bank follows IMF orders and uses high interest rates (20%) to kill off the government subsidies for re-industrialization.

If anything, Russia is imperialist in the sense that it is helping to advance American imperialism lol.

Any discussion about imperialism that doesn’t include an analysis on the expansion of finance capitalism is just vibes-based and not rooted in Lenin’s theory on imperialism.

[–] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

begging putin on my hands and knees to harden his heart and kill these people

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NATO leftists being NATO leftists. My favorite take from that sub was during the hyping of CECOT when some armchair strategist suggested that Venezuela should let migrants loose into Central America and then the governments of Central America would somehow be convinced to elect leftists lmao

Incredible take, the result of taking escuálido propaganda at face value and thinking that when they say ''Venezuela is sending Chavistas out with Tren de Aragua to destabilize the region'', you can use that to turn a country left...Truly incredible.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine meets the core definitions of settler colonialism, imperialism, and arguably genocide.

  • how?
  • no
  • lmao
[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

If you told them Lenin handed over the Donbass region to Ukraine for the sake of nation-building their heads would explode

If you told them the vast majority of the population of eastern Ukraine speak Russian as a first language, they wouldn't believe you

If you told them neo-nazis took over the government in 2014, burned union workers alive in a warehouse, attacked the city of Donetsk and disappeared 15,000 Ukrainian citizens they'd call you a liar

These ultras, radlibs or whatever the hell they are don't know anything about anything

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’ve heard the talking point that the USSR committed genocide in the Baltics, according to the UN definition

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Liberals love finding a new group and maxing out it's lingo into meaninglessness. Next they'll call communists imperialist dogs or something, with no trace of irony. Epistemological tourists trying on every kind of drama.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

"Epistemological tourists" is my new favorite term

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Some leftists claim Russia was just reacting to NATO expansion. But: Ukraine offered to stay neutral before the 2022 full-scale invasion. They were willing to discuss security guarantees without joining NATO. Russia invaded anyway. Why? Because the issue wasn’t NATO. It was Ukraine’s independence.

This is just selectively ignoring all the important events that led up to Russia’s invasion:

  1. The Ukrainian civil war erupted in 2014 when the new fascist coup regime repealed the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko Law that granted the status of regional languages to minority languages including Russian, on the very first day of taking power. This was seen as the beginning of Ukrainian ultranationalist move to ethnically cleanse the Russian minorities and hence the Donbass separatist uprising.
  2. After the civil war, both Minsk Agreements explicitly planned the return of both Donbass oblasts to Ukraine, under the condition that the local governments will be given more autonomy on cultural rights such that minority rights cannot simply be repealed by the central authority, which we all know is ultimately to ethnically cleanse the Russians from the lands of Ukraine. Crimea, however, will not be returned for obvious reasons.
  3. Ukraine rejected the implementation of both Minsk Agreements (because then they will not be allowed to ethnically cleanse the Russians), and instead, over the next 7 years, allowed NATO to openly train and arm its military.
  4. After Biden came into office in 2021, Zelensky (overwhelmingly elected as the peace president) went to the White House and met with Biden, and came out with a completely different, much more aggressive stance, including openly flirting with joining NATO, overturning the Budapest Memorandum for non-nuclear proliferation etc.
  5. Alarmed by the development, Russia called for an immediate security meeting with the US, which culminated in the US-Russia Summit in Geneva in June 2021. Russia proposed resolving their security concerns but was ignored by the US side.
  6. Not two months after the Geneva “peace” summit, the Biden administration began sending Javelins and Stingers to Ukraine under the Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) in August 2021, then again in December 2021. A clear provocation to the Russians for attempting to deescalate.
  7. By February 2022, artillery shelling against the pro-Russian Donbass provinces had increased in intensity by an order of magnitude. Peace would not hold. The rest is history.
[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm having trouble finding news articles on it, but didn't Zelensky openly offer to host NATO nukes in the months and even days leading up to the invasion?

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

A lot of articles related to Ukraine have been “scrubbed” from the internet over the past 2-3 years. I have only managed to track down a portion of the sources and these days, I only write stuff that I have firm sources on. There are a lot more shenanigans that have to be omitted because it is so difficult these days to track down the original articles I’ve read years back.

[–] RedSailsFan@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

it's one of the reasons why it's very important to always use archive sites, i wish it was a rule in the news mega tbh

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it's become a real problem, not just in online discussions but, for my own sanity. I did find a comment by me referencing it back in April 2022. So I'm reasonably sure i'm not hallucinating it.

[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You should ask yourself why it is that the countries that are arming Ukraine are the exact same countries that are arming Israel. You think it's just a coincidence or something?

The ideology of just opposing everything the western bloc supports is continually vindicated

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Exactly right. The US leverages sometimes legitimal struggles, like the kurds in Syria, to meet their goals in the region and we should be able to see past this. A locally progressive struggle can be part of a globally reactionary. This is something baby leftists simply cannot comprehend.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I made multiple comments and had a feeling they were invisible.

Yup, if I view the thread in an incognito tab, my comments don’t appear. Shadow banning, another reason Reddit is a dead end

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Vivid_Sea_7685:

While I myself do support Ukraine. The main point brought up in support of Russia is that any kind of resistance against Western Imperialism by the US and NATO is always a net positive.

Me:

This isn’t a common view at all. No one thinks anything goes as long as it opposes the US. That’s anti communist nonsense intended to convince people that socialists are into unthinking, team-based politics. There are concrete reasons to oppose NATO in general and specifically in this conflict, far beyond a reflexive “the US doesn’t like it.” u/Alarmed_Plant_9422’s comment explains that fairly well

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

Yep, doesnt show for me

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago (5 children)

But what Russian forces did to civilians in Bucha and in Mariupol and in many other places was a genocide too.

Pretty sure there's more to the definition of genocide than when you kill a bunch of people.

[–] bort@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The western definition of genocide is “it is when I say it is is, but isn’t when I say it isn’t”.

That’s why clearly Xinjiang is a genocide but Gaza’s just a good old fashioned war.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Straight up they say its only a genocide when the killers explicitly talk about genocidal intent, it doesn't matter what they do but only what they say. And even when Israeli goverment officials straight up talk about genocidal intent, it's not a genocide.

Also Bucha was done by Ukrainians and their foreign mercenaries and Mariupol was ukronazis holding civilians hostage.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

"Fascism is when country we don't like kills people. And the more they kill, the more fascism it is. And when they kill a real lotta people, that's genocide. Economic violence? I barely know'er!!"

-Libs probably

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago

When we kill people it's liberation!

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

"And when they don't actually kill people we will make it up!"

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

It's almost if like war crimes and genocide are different things

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[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

someone deployed maoist standard english and they are not happy about it lol

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

I assumed it was someone from here

[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Responses have been pretty good atm

[–] jack@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

/r/socialism rhetoric these days is mostly ML friendly. It's definitely the dominant strain. They just have a lot of incoming liberals due to being on Reddit, baby socialists with varying degrees of brainworms, and an ultra leftist/Maoist minority.

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