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I was talking to one of my friends and he mentioned staying home on July 4, citing how there are a lot of really ugly things going on in the US.

After thinking about this myself, I'm starting to feel the same way. Instead of being proud of the country, I'm feeling like I'm just another wallet that companies and the government are trying to suck all the money out of.

The cost of living is going up, the housing market is a nightmare, I don't feel very confident in our government at all, the job market is a nightmare...

I think I'll be staying home this year too... anyone else?

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why celebrate independence day?

it was supposed to be about gaining independence from tyranny.

We're back with kings and tyrants.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Because of Patriotism they had it so easy to turn it into Nationalism and now turn it to fascism.

[–] EvilCartyen@feddit.dk 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I imagine almost everyone who's not American, like 95.5% of the world population.

[–] DarthKaren@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I'm a USAF vet. My ancestors literally fought in the revolutionary war, and signed The Declaration of Independence. I'm going through the motions this year, but I don't feel it at all. I'm pissed that we're multiple stages into a nazi regime. I'm profoundly flabbergasted at how anyone could be for this. How anyone that is for it, can't see that they're going to be the "out" party. Some already are seeing it.

I'm incredibly disappointed that the news has gotten so out of touch that they just rolled over and lapped up the rhetoric. Local news is all sunshine and rainbows while ICE kidnaps people, and a corrupt POtuS breaks the constitution left and right. While he deploys military against its own citizens. While rights are stripped, aided by a corrupt SCOTUS. While the rich get richer off of our backs. While the checks and balances are obliterated.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 25 points 2 days ago

Our country is under MAGA Nazis rule, and that is nothing to celebrate. Independence Day should be a Day of Resistance, until the MAGA Nazis lose their control.

[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but HOW THE FUCK could I EVER be proud of this country anymore??? We've done nothing to deserve respect or patriotism.

[–] bufalo1973@europe.pub 3 points 2 days ago

Then maybe it's a day to protest, not to celebrate. Maybe the best way could have been doing a full strike that stopped the country and doing also protests in the streets.

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[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Feeling patriotic towards a country of traitors.

US best values have been lost long time ago.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I'm celebrating Happy Fireworks Day!

I've got new neighbors that are probably about to hear, "Fire in the hole!" unironically for the first time. You can actually see the shockwave from my blackpowder signal cannon. Good chance the cops show up.

I usually use the cannon to vaporize 10oz of kerosene for a nice mushroom cloud of fire, but I'll have to see how it goes.

I'm a pyro.

Y'all wear safety glasses if having bottle rocket fights or roman candle duels.

[–] walktheplank@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Best day to begin taking your country back. Too bad the couch is so comfy.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You know there are people out there who are actually getting off their couch and fighting?Active revolution isn’t for everyone, but you don’t have to keep normalizing laziness and cowardice. You can instead use your voice to encourage action.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Good energy here.

Thank you.

[–] walktheplank@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I have. I get berated. Fuck america.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 127 points 4 days ago (39 children)

Not being American I always found the whole thing very creepy. Like, North Korean military parade-creepy.

For the record, we don't have anything like that where I'm from, but the closest things we do have are also very creepy. Patriotism in general is extremely not cool, honestly.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 95 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I screencapped this many moons ago on Reddit, I feel that it's apropos

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

The USA started cracking at the foundations when McCarthyism began, demonizing an ideology that was ultimately about sharing resources. You can draw a straight line between the Red Scare and the anti-socialism proudly shouted by modern Republicans and the MAGA movement today.

For anyone who identifies as conservative, this rabid vilification of socialism has rotted away at even the idea that the government should exist to service the people, let alone advocating for it. So instead they advocate for tearing it all apart and hold firm to the 'rugged individialism', "the Free Market © will provide" nonsense that has never worked as far back in history as we can peer.

Its so toxic, and it serves only the most wealthy. It's gone so far and for so long now that I don't see the lessons being learnt and course correcting with words alone.

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[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 3 points 2 days ago

It’s a free show. With the right people it’s good, but I understand your feeling.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 31 points 3 days ago (23 children)

State-level patriotism is always bullshit to begin with.

That's how you're tricked into loyalty based on the most arbitrary reasons.

Be the messenger of humanity and get curious about the Universe. People are brothers, and there's no pride in being born in one plot of land over the other.

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why feel patriotic for a country that literally stole/claimed what wasn't theirs to being with? Never felt such a thing for this so called "first world".

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[–] paperazzi@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Canadian here and we celebrated the fuck out of our national holiday which just passed. We have a stronger feeling of solidarity than we've felt in a long time. Despite the threats of annexation and shifting tariffs, we are feeling more hopeful than we have in many years, possibly because we're making new friends in the global sandbox and coming into our own power now instead of constantly kowtowing to the USA in all matters.

Except a few folks in Alberta who would love to be part of the modern Nazi regime. Fuck them, tho.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Flags have become a warning over the last decade or so about the person waving it. It no longer has the hope of a better America, solidarity, or welcome; it’s a symbol of a myopic, selfish, aggro, uneducated person full of performative nationalism and real hatreds.

Our independence was supposed to free the people of kings and tyrants. It’s been 249 years since 1776, we have undone what the Constitution authors fought for.

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[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As an immigrant to the US, I've always found the blind patriotism commonplace here to be very strange. It feels even more alienating now than ever before.

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’ve never been more ashamed to be an American.

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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.cafe 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Obama was the last president that made me believe the US was trending towards progress. He proved to be a let down on many issues but I was still hopeful that the next president will be better. On many issues the country seemed to be heading in the right direction, there was even a plan for a national high speed rail network.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 3 days ago

I haven't felt patriotic for July 4 since I was a teenager. And I grow more aliented every year.

[–] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It's been decades since I've cared about the 4th as an actual holiday. Now it's just a day that I don't have to work.

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[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Being a Brit, for years I've jokingly referred to the 4th of July as 'Rebellion Day' to my USian friends. Not sure I'm joking any more, just hopeful. Go on. Rebel!

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Celebrating America hasn't been something to be proud of since before 2001. We had a couple of high points during Obama, but nothing that tipped the scales.

I'm personally disgusted by this place, and anytime I see someone with an American flag anywhere on their person or property, I immediately assume they're a conservative and I think lesser of them. I know that this isn't a reality, but that is what the American flag means to me, and I assume quite a few others.

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