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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It's not enough to just elect Democrats. Ok technically Democrats would have 67 votes in the Senate if they flipped every single Republican seat, which would be just enough to convict. But that's not happening.

Instead, there needs to be a movement by anti Trump forces from across the spectrum to primary Republicans and replace them with anti Trump candidates. That effort needs to start now.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Tfw electing Democrats is “not happening” but flipping a cult against it’s demented, corrupt, rapist leader makes way more sense.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Which will never happen because Trump has support of like 95% of Republicans. Still.

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[–] aramova@infosec.pub 40 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Remember folks, every vote counts. We did this to ourselves.

I've said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard...

It's just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It's like the people who thought China paid the tariffs...

The house is almost tied. That's who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents...

218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.

Let's see, take New York for example.

26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.

5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.

People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn't matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.

Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.

Apathetic morons who don't realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.

District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.

Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state... Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.

So, if you think that your vote for president doesn't matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you're a fucking moron who can't grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.

And don't get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.

Every fucking vote counts.

And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we'll keep getting the shit we deserve.

House needs a simple majority, and two thirds of the Senate.

Democrats would need ~18 seats.

First, that won't happen in 2026.

Even the best cases make it hard to win enough by 2028. Which is why impeachment is just not something we can hold out for.

Gerrymandering is part of why this is a problem, which is done at the local level, and again why every vote counts.

How could it play out? Assuming some absurdly weird upside down world just opposite of what we're living in, this is the only path just looking at the numbers...

Again, Democrats would need to gain 18 net seats. Seats Potentially in Play (Republican Incumbents): This requires looking at seats up in upcoming cycles.

  • Class 1 Seats (Up in 2026):
    • Highly Competitive Targets: These would be the first priority. States where Democrats have won statewide recently or that lean only slightly Republican. Examples based on recent political history might include:
      • North Carolina (Budd-R)
      • Alaska (Sullivan-R) - Unique dynamics with ranked-choice voting.
    • Stretch Targets: States that are more Republican but could potentially flip under exceptionally favorable conditions (like the hypothetical turnout).
      • Iowa (Ernst-R)
      • Montana (Daines-R) - Depends heavily on candidate matchups.
      • Kentucky (McConnell-R's seat - potential retirement changes dynamics)
      • Kansas (Marshall-R)
      • South Carolina (Graham-R)
    • Very Difficult Targets: Solidly Republican states requiring overwhelming Democratic turnout and significant shifts among other voters.
      • Texas (Cornyn-R)
      • Mississippi (Wicker-R)
      • Alabama (Tuberville-R)
      • West Virginia (Capito-R)
      • Oklahoma (Mullin-R - Special election winner)
      • Wyoming (Lummis-R)
      • Idaho (Risch-R)
      • Arkansas (Cotton-R)
      • Nebraska (Ricketts-R)
      • South Dakota (Rounds-R)
      • Louisiana (Cassidy-R) - Jungle primary system.
  • Class 2 Seats (Up in 2028): (Looking further ahead)
    • Highly Competitive Targets:
      • Maine (Collins-R) - Often competitive, depends on matchup.
      • Georgia (Perdue/Ossoff dynamic showed competitiveness, depends who holds it after '26 potentially) - Assuming GOP holds a seat here.
    • Stretch Targets:
      • Michigan (Peters-D currently, but listing potential GOP flips back if one happened hypothetically before 2028) - Generally leans D, but could be contested.
      • New Hampshire (Shaheen-D currently) - Generally leans D, but listing potential GOP flips back.
    • Very Difficult Targets: (Many solidly Republican states)
      • Tennessee (Hagerty-R)
      • Alaska (Murkowski-R historically, depends on dynamics)
      • North Carolina (Tillis-R)
      • Iowa (Grassley-R seat potentially)
      • Texas (Cruz-R)
      • Kentucky (Paul-R)
      • And many others similar to the 2026 list (SC, AL, MS, WY, ID, NE, SD, KS, WV, OK).

It's going to take an absolutely historic level of pain to both drive enough people to vote MAGA out to make this change though.

The amount that's being excused, sanewashed, and just drowned out with other absurdities...

We're on all on this shit ride until some new wildcard comes into play.

No impeachment, no Supreme Court, no guardrail is going to change that.

Something new and unaccounted for is the only feasible catalyst.

[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not American and I wish you guys the very best, but my expectations for the 2026 elections is on par with the elections in Russia. Every non republican candidate may end up in jail or out of a window.

[–] aramova@infosec.pub 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately as someone who lives here and has no choice but to watch it, I think you're right.

Far too many of my countrymen are just complacent in letting this happen.

[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 2 points 11 hours ago

It's not easy to take action that really works. Protests only do so much. Armed resistance is problematic and can backfire in so many ways....

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.today 9 points 15 hours ago

Totally get all of that, but U cant help but look at McConnell's seat and remember how Schumer and co rejected the exciting young candidate and instead forced a PRO-TRUMP "democrat" to challenge him.

It's simple: if you think you can challenge a red conservative with a blue conservative, the red conservative will win every time. Blue conservatives are just carpetbaggers to the voters.

The challenger to conservatism is progressivism. If you don't actually provide a choice you WILL lose.

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 158 points 21 hours ago (36 children)

The most important part of this is the primaries. If we fill these seats with a bunch of Chuck Schumers/Hakeem Jeffries it won't make a difference. If we fill them with Zohran Mamdanis, on the other hand...

[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 62 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yupp, don't let them tell you yet another "compromise" candidate, who "at least isn't the red elephant person" is gonna cut it. They have been losing elections, they spark no enthusiasm, they are not the "safe option".

That being said, do organise and network outside of party politics, too. Elections are an important part of everything, they to mould the status quo to some degree, and can heavily shift context of further political work - but getting beyond the structural shit that put Trump into power requires more than that. Joining (preferrably radical) unions, showing up to town halls and the likes, networking with neighbours and friends for mutual aid and emergency support, community defence organisations, civil rights orgs, etc. etc. Both informal and formal organisation is needed wherever you can.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 78 points 20 hours ago (25 children)

For all you Americans who like to complain about the democrats candidates, maybe join the party and vote on primaries. Maybe do something other than just wait around until they feed you the candidate they picked without your input. Maybe start changing up the party from within and at the entry level, by voting on primaries and volunteering for the progressive candidates that want to overthrow the party career politicians. Look at what New York did! If they had waited around and not cared about primaries, they would have gotten Cumo and complained. I hear a lot of complaining about the democrats on Lemmy, sometimes you guys blame them more than Republican. But if you don’t vote or register as a democrat then you don’t matter to them. Make yourselves heard before the actual elections

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 23 points 18 hours ago (15 children)

You don’t even have to join the Democratic Party to vote in their primaries.

That being said, they will absolutely move mountains to block anyone remotely socialist from gaining power. The only reason Mamdani won the primary is because NYC has ranked choice voting.

The Dems are not going to save us because their leadership is profiting from this too much. Organized resistance is the only hope we have.

[–] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 25 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Actually, Mamdani would’ve won on first past the post as well (he has 43.5% of voters choosing him as first choice). He needs a 50% threshold to advance, which is where ranked choice will come in, but he would’ve won a first past the post anyways.

So even in a first past the post scheme, people should vote in dem primaries. I think we’re all on board with changing the dem party, and it starts in the primaries.

Go vote, or get oppressed. That’s basically the options and people need to understand that. Voting doesn’t guarantee you won’t be oppressed, but not voting guarantees you will.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

This depends on the state and in most states you have to be a member of the party to vote in primaries

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago

Is it really most states? I'm in an extremely conservative state. I refuse to join a political party. I'm allowed to vote in the Democrats' primary, but not the Republicans'.

If you are in this situation, please vote in the primary after learning about the local candidates.

There is one big thing- You must ask for the Democratic Party Ballot. I was used to getting it by default and was disenfranchised in 2008 by being given the no affiliation ballot. I realized it when I got to the machine and was not allowed to change. I left yelling about it, like that did any good.

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[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 16 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

Remember to vote in new blood that's not afraid to impeach a fascist. Refer to this list for the Dems you need to vote out: Fascist-Enabler Democrats Vote Against Impeachment

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[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 7 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

its hilarious that people still think "going through the proper channels" is going to work. you're playing a game with someone who has cheats activated. playing by the rules aint gonna work if the guy you're playing against rewrites the rules whenever he feels like.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Nah, you're presenting it as if he's got some sort of magical powers. Anything he does can be used against him, and there have been wins through proper channels. This stupid immunity he enjoys ends the moment people stop glorifying him.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, hopeless. It’s understandable. But we got in a few times and we can do it again if we unite. A clear platform, a slate of dedicated candidates and some breakthrough messaging. It CAN be done.

The bad news is we actually have to do it. The corporate news isn’t going to help until it makes them money.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

We won't be getting in. I will be voting for Democrats and I hope they get in, even though they're mostly detestable.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 8 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Articles of impeachment were just in front of the house

DEMOCRATS voted them down.

What the fuck is the point of voting?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Gonna have to vote out the shit Democrats and vote in progressives

Vote blue no matter who is out-- primary goddamned everybody is in

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

Yep - red party is actively hostile. Blue party is cowardly or outright wearing red undershirts under their blue suits.

We need primaries and general election wins.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It depends on if you really want to know.

TL;DR: because voting is a right and a duty

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 53 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Learn from Zohran Mamdani’s win and VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES.

Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule.

30/50 states have closed primaries, meaning you must be registered as a Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary. Check your state’s primary type here: https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election_types_by_state

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