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First off, sorry if this has been asked a million times in this community already, but the only post I found on this topic when I searched was over two years old.

I've been using PIA vpn for the past two years, but my subscription is ending soon and I was thinking about switching providers. I'm a fairly basic vpn user so I'm not overly concerned about advanced features and bells and whistles. I have a limited budget to work with, and I run Fedora os. Does anyone have any recommendations on what vpn I should be using?

I've seen Mullvad mentioned frequently, but it's a touch expensive compared to others. I've heard some good things about Proton vpn too, but I know there was a controversy with their CEO not long ago. I've also just read something about IVPN and they look good, but I'd like opinions from more sources. I'm open too all other suggestions as well. Thanks for any and all thoughts!

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[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The Proton CEO thing was vastly overblown. He is a privacy advocate and expressed support for Trump's appointment for head of antitrust, as well as criticism of corporate Democrats who stand for big business which was misrepresented as a love of the Republican Party. The only mistake he made was to publish those statements using the official Proton account, which he later apologised for.

Some people, especially the American left, love to virtue signal and predictably they tried to cancel Proton as a result of this pretty minor and irrelevant social media drama. There were some good write-ups at the time which exposed how counterfactual the "pRoToN lOvEs mAgA" arguments were, but I guess feel free to skip over Proton if it really concerns you. It is objectively one of the best choices if you value both privacy and functionality (Proton still has support for port forwarding), which I think are far more relevant areas to be looking at when choosing a VPN for piracy.

[–] OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Okay but his criticism makes no sense when the FTC under biden actually started taking antitrust seriously and has since lost its teeth again under trump.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 1 points 17 hours ago

It makes a lot of sense if you actually take the time to read his explanation of the context behind his position.

During the Biden administration, the Democrats lead by Schumer (whose family members are lobbyists for big tech) refused to bring antitrust bills Proton campaigned in support of to a vote. Additionally, the only invited senator to show up to a 2024 antitrust meeting was a Republican - Vance. Those are just two examples he cites of Democrats failing in this area and Republicans stepping up in their place.

The crazy thing is that Yen's argument, that the Democrats have been captured by the corporate donor class, would be supported in any other context by people on reddit and particularly Lemmy. It's the same thing you guys constantly complain about everywhere else (i.e. Sanders), yet in this one specific instance you ignore all of that and pretend that the Democrats are the good guys who can do no wrong because the idea that they could be as bad as, or worse than, the Republicans in this very specific area triggers you so hard.

[–] emogu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the Proton CEO tweet about Trump looking out for the little guys is such an insane MAGA echo chamber take. It throws the credibility of the entire post into question. Not to mention that it’s a Medium article. Too many red flags that it undermines OP’s point pretty quick.

[–] seth_arimainyu@ieji.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@emogu @OccasionallyFeralya sorry, this comes from my ignorance, not to polarize or anything like that but, why Medium is a red flag?

[–] emogu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Nothing against Medium inherently but it’s basically a glorified blogging platform. Anyone can get on there and write anything. The red flag comes from someone citing a Medium article as evidence that a privacy CEO can be trusted. I’d hope there would be more substantial sources, say, from a vetted publication by an established writer for example. The fact that someone’s Medium blog was their go-to source is a red flag on their argument for me.

[–] idriss@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I ended up self hosting my own in a privacy-friendly low-cost VPS after trying everything in some censorship heavy locations (SuperVPN, NordVPN, Mullvad, Surfshark, Frog{something}VPN ...) & rotating the address from time to time (I using a domain name so I don't have to change all the clients). My private one uses whatever new obfs protocol pops up and some other things to make fingerprinting very hard. Combining this with residential proxies & TOR+private bridges for browsing works like a charm EVERYWHERE.

Commercial VPNs all fail because they use standard protocols and are very easy to fingerprint if you try enough.

[–] FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Must be expensive to use residential proxies, nah? If I can ask, what’s your host?

Unless you’re not doing anything illegal and just using some friends' IP and stuff

[–] idriss@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Regarding residential proxy, it will be okay, 1usd per GB in packetstream.

For VPS, I use AlexHost as they dont require id, plus crypto payments (I wish I could use something else, capsul.org is overpriced and much lower quality)

[–] FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thanks

When you say you would prefer using something else, it’s about crypto or the host not being good?

[–] idriss@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I meant AlexHost, if you find something with similar specs and pricing I would love to jump to it. AlexHost treats customer like garbage. Plus, only use shared instances, dedicated instances are terrible (terrible internet speed and host performance) check TrustPilot.

[–] FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You might want to check YottaSrc

they're not really known but seem worth the risk if you're okay with it

[–] idriss@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing!

From an initial look it seems like a reseller, I guess it will require identification + has some restrictions. I run some trading bots so that's out for sure.

[–] FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr 3 points 1 day ago

yup but they told me some of their servers was theirs

The thing that I like is that they resell hetzner for crypto, at a very small extra, which I haven't seen elsewhere

[–] fika@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] idriss@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It has its issues but so far the most reasonable.

(If you are in a censorship heavy area, go with something else, Mullvad relies on standard protocols that are easy to inspect and shut down)

[–] uhmbah@lemmy.ca -1 points 21 hours ago

Nope. Do your homework!!

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Mullvad. I don't even think about alternatives.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That was the case, but now that they no longer support port forwarding thinking about alternatives is a good idea. For me, a VPN without port forwarding is not an option (since I use private trackers).

[–] Jasontheguitarist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Mullvad seemed like the perfect choice and I was happy with them until they killed port forwarding, that got me wanting to switch to something else.

I recently bought a year of AirVPN. Their apps aren't as nice but it works, and port forwarding works with the same port across all their servers.

I use Wiresock Secure Connect on Windows, and the Eddie app or OpenVPN Connect on Android.

[–] mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

on mint cinnamon, mullvad app prevents auto-suspending and screen timeout, idk if it does that on other distros. spent a full year troubleshooting and lost most of my hair and will to live. accidentally found the solution after switching to ivpn because it became impossible to watch youtube with mullvad

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Mullvad doesn’t support port forwarding does it?

[–] MediumGray@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

How important is port forwarding? I've never really bothered with it. I'm definitely still in the shallow end of the pool when it comes to using vpns.

[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Seeding torrents will be next to impossible without it, especially for private trackers. It's pretty vital for torrenting. Anything else, doesn't matter.

I used Mullvad for a year and love the service, but they explicitly don't allow port forwarding, so I recently switched to Proton. Their CEO's comments last year still feel disgusting and I trust them as a company far less than I trust Mullvad as a result, but the service they offer is stellar regardless.

From what I understand, Mullvad is the top choice for a privacy-focused daily driver VPN, while Proton is the best choice for torrenting while still functioning just fine for daily use.

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

I run a Minecraft server. Couldn't have done it without port forwarding.

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[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The only realistic answer is “it depends”. Torrents require at least one side to have an open port. If your port isn’t open, you’ll only be able to connect to people who have opened theirs. If everyone had open ports, you wouldn’t need to worry about it. But the reality is that many people don’t bother with opening a port, so your connections will be limited.

The issue will be much more apparent on smaller/less popular torrents. With popular torrents and hundreds of seeders, chances are good that some people will have an open port. But your speeds may be limited, because you can only connect to a select few. Even worse, torrents may stall entirely if there are only a few seeders, (and none of them have open ports). It’s super frustrating looking at a torrent with 3 or 4 seeders, but seeing that it has stalled.

There are workarounds like pinholing, but those are bodges that require specific circumstances to work.

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

IIRC it's good to get faster downloads on BitTorrent, but I've never stumbled upon a torrent that was slow anyway.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 6 points 2 days ago

It's more of an issue with torrent seeding. You need to be able to accept incoming connections to seed, so you need a VPN/router to allow incoming traffic to a certain port to reach your torrent client.

So, not a problem for leeching, but if you are trying to meet ratio requirements, could be a big problem.

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[–] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Mullvad is the correct answer.

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[–] numblyscabbyeach@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

The eternal loop of looking for the Best vpn

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If you aren't concerned with flashy setups, AirVPN might be something to check into. In terms of cost, 3 months of AirVPN cost roughly about the same as 1 month of PIA.

[–] Ankkuli@lemdro.id 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I tried AirVPN for a couple of weeks but it’s just painfully slow. Bad servers and the better ones are always full.

I will stick to Mullvad.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 1 points 1 day ago

That's a valid reason. AirVPN is slower than Mullvad or PIA. AirVPN does fit some use cases better, like multi-port forwarding, but that's not going to be what everybody is doing. PIA does offer port forwarding but only single port for single instance. To do multiple, you'd have to have multiple sessions running which doesn't really work well from one machine.

So, if speed is your only criteria, don't use AirVPN. Better options exist.

[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Been using airvpn for at least a year now (2? Maybe 3, idk...) Wait I checked it's been about 2 years. OK, anyway yeah they're my go to recommendation for anyone moderately technical.

[–] CrazyHorse@lemmy.cafe 12 points 2 days ago

AirVPN has served me well the past 13 years. Their config generator is great, as well as the port-forwarding.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago

I tried airvpn, but found it confusing in some regards. ProtonVPN is easier to use and it has served me well, despite the recent controversy around it. The only real annoyance is that it randomly selects a new port to forward every time you connect, so you have to manually update that in your client. Quantum is a nifty tool that will read your ProtonVPN logs and automatically complete this step for you, if you use qBittorrent.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

you might as well assume that any traffic you send to an american vpn is routed directly to the NSA, FBI, etc. get something that physically resides in a GDPR country. as for price, it's either that or just drop the P out of VPN

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 12 points 2 days ago

GDPR is not relevant to state monitoring. Article 23 provides the provisions to explicitly restrict data protection rights for the purpose of eavesdropping, detection, crime prevention, etc. Its wildly open ended to the point that it makes no difference in choosing a VPN: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-23-gdpr/

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 11 points 2 days ago

I’ve been happy with Windscribe, though I don’t really feel that knowledgeable. They had a case dismissed against them recently, that was suing them for evidence of a user’s activity. They couldn’t provide it because they didn’t keep logs, as advertised

[–] istdaslol@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago

What you should also consider, do you need a VPN. If you just want to avoid region blocking, (any) will do. Just need to check if their IP range is blocked by the provider. For normal https traffic you don’t need one. Enable dns over https in your browser and your traffic is as secure and anonymous as with most commercial VPNs.
VPNs have their use cases but we now have a decade of scareware ads from VPNs that implied our traffic is as insecure as it was in 1980. but it isn’t, you’re paying for a lava insurance. And let me say this, you can still be tracked if you use a VPN. It’s just a bit harder, like marginally

[–] slackarr@piefed.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I've been using ovpn.com for a few years. Port forwarding works perfectly for slskd and transmission/gluetun.

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