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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 49 points 3 days ago (3 children)

NYT

ISNA, an Iranian state news agency, is also reporting President Trump’s comments about the United States holding talks with Iran “next week.”

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Oh no. Are they lining up for anotherfell-for-it-again-award ?

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 63 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (21 children)

The latest Simplicius: Humiliation: Israel Tucks Tail After Failing All Objectives in War against Victorious Iran

I think the title's blatant triumphalism betrays how there's a battle in the media over the portrayal of the conflict, with both sides basically doing their own victory dances. I will say that the Israeli side does look a little depressed as the fragility of their society and economy and military has been laid bare, and there does appear to be a psychological blow to Zionists that may or may not translate into lasting change (e.g. mass evacuations). But like, you shouldn't have to constantly insist that you've won a conflict; the results should speak for themselves beyond all doubt. So I'm personally comfortable calling this a draw, but let's see what Simplicius has to say about it.

  • Simplicius's previous argument that the strike on Fordow [using 14 bunker busters and not 6 like I thought? I'm not sure if I'm just losing my mind but I thought the US said 30 missiles and 6 bunker busters?] was an allowed strike seems strengthened by the fact that Iran responded with what was basically certain to be an allowed strike on Al Udeid.
  • All parties involved got an off-ramp from a conflict that, even if it wasn't going particularly great for Iran, was going very badly for Israel - you don't want to get involved in an attrition war if you are a tiny state with infrastructure that can be easily disabled and you are opposing a country with ten times as many people and thousands of ballistic missiles.
  • Iran had already taken out a significant number of Israeli heavy drones (combat-capable, rather than merely surveillance), such as Hermes drones. It's not clear how many Israel has, but we're talking a couple dozen of each type, not hundreds.
  • These Israeli drones and missiles were the primary method of destruction on sensitive military targets. As more were shot down, Israeli jets would have needed to move further into Iran and risk being shot down.
  • There is still little evidence that Israel was capable of flying over Iranian territory for any meaningful distance. The only evidence we have is that of Israeli jets over a coastal city. All Israeli combat footage over Iran was taken from drones. Now, we have seen Israeli fuel tanks wash up on the Caspian Sea coast, showing that Israel flew in from the north to bombard Tehran, rather than flying all the way through Iran to hit it. This isn't to be like "See! Israel has been fricking owned!!" because like, they can still bombard Tehran and do heavy damage - it's just important to clarify how that was done so that people don't learn the wrong lessons.
  • Despite Trump's insistence, it's increasingly clear that if Iran's nuclear program has been set back at all (which it might not have) then it is only briefly. It is well-known that Iran's enriched uranium was shifted out of Fordow, and its location is not publically known. Some (in American media, even!) go further to say that Fordow was basically untouched and that the centrifuges are fine, according to leaks from White House intelligence.
  • Simplicius says that the US only has - well, had - 20 GBU-57s, and if that's true, then their production rate must be truly glacial. With 14 dropped, there are now 6 remaining, which is insufficient for any kind of broad campaign against Iranian underground capabilities, especially if 14 of them were dropped on Fordow and it was fine, or at least not obliterated. [This point by Simplicius seems flatly incorrect, US production of these sorts of bombs is more along the lines of 6-8 per month, and they only have 20 of a very specific model.]
  • Iran's airforce was basically a no-show during this conflict. It's not clear what happened with that; some are suggesting they were moved to the far east to be out of harm's way, and perhaps if the conflict intensified and became extended then they would step in. It's probably also not a bad idea to conserve as many planes as possible, especially as some of their pilots train on the Russian jets they received.
  • The Israeli modus operandi against other regional actors was applied to Iran and met similar failure - they attempted a military victory and lost, and lost quite badly at that. Now, again, this isn't to say that Israel is therefore owned and mad, because where Israel seems to actually do quite well is in winning the peace - they are great at infiltrating and undermining nations that have been weakened by war even if technically victorious. We saw this happen in Lebanon and Syria, for instance.
  • Simplicius says that it's not clear when the conflict will erupt again - maybe in hours, maybe in days, maybe even months or years. But Iran has created a degree of deterrence. Importantly, it has dealt a heavy blow to Israel's IMEC plan to create a new transport corridor to the Mediterranean that bypasses unfriendly states, with Haifa's port damaged and clearly much more vulnerable than the alternatives (such as the existing Suez Canal route, and China's BRI), which is important on a geopolitical level. China just can't stop winning, folks. They're getting tired of winning.
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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 48 points 3 days ago

Imperialist Vanguard: Denmark Supports NATO Militarization, Backs American Aggression Against Iran

At today’s NATO summit in The Hague, Denmark emerged as one of the most fanatic supporters of the American demands for aggressive military expansion. The nordic hermit kingom's authoritarian leader Mette Frederiksen and Lars Løkke Rasmussen, the powerful and corruption-tainted head of the nation's Moderate Party-controlled Ministry of Foreign Affairs, voiced full-throated support as American vassal states aquiesced to Washington’s radical demands to channel 5% of their national GDP into military spending.

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Meanwhile, protests and a general strike in Brussels condemned the reallocation of public wealth toward militarization, with slogans calling for pensions, not missiles. Their pleas were ignored by the assembled elites.

The new target, which surpasses even the already excessive American military budget in proportional terms, will direct 3.5% toward direct militarization, while 1.5% will go to dual-use infrastructure, ostensibly civilian, but serving military aims. The shift commits states in the American bloc to a path of aggressive rearmament, threatening global stability.

Frederiksen welcomed the balooning military expenditure, declaring that NATO should “never again” spend less on warfare. Framing war preparations as responsible and necessary, her remarks affirmed Denmark’s place at the vanguard of the alliance’s hardline faction.

Frederiksen also applauded the recent U.S. terror bombings of Iranian civilian nuclear sites, dismissing concerns about international law and offering full support for escalation against Iran, reiterating unfounded American-zionist claims about Iran pursuing a nuclear deterrence. NATO leader Mark Rutte praised the attacks as demonstrations of American strength. No NATO leader questioned their legality.

Despite recent threats from the American regime to forcibly annex Greenland, Denmark’s Arctic colony, the topic was conspicuously absent from bilateral discussions, raising questions about Copenhagen’s willingness to defend its territorial sovereignty under pressure from its patron state.

Instead, Denmark announced a new military pact with Canada, Norway, and Germany aimed at expanding NATO’s naval presence in the North Atlantic and Arctic regions, underscoring the regime’s commitment to power projection.

On the alliance’s eastern front, the language of deterrence gave way to open escalation. NATO reaffirmed its commitment to its proxy war in Ukraine, with Rutte bombastically declaring the Kiev regime to be on an “irreversible path” to membership despite them losing the war. Frederiksen, meanwhile, framed Denmark’s continued arming of the Kiev regime not as aid but as “investment in our own security,” signaling a shift from solidarity rhetoric to overt realpolitik.

Trump’s influence dominated the summit. Once seen as a threat to the alliance, the American supreme leader was now praised as a “man of peace and strength” by a servile Rutte. Danish Foreign Minister Løkke insisted NATO’s Article 5 remains sacred, in a gesture of fealty aimed at countering Trump’s past equivocations.

Amid carefully choreographed ceremonial photo ops the summit marked a historic commitment to permanent militarization, sacrificing social needs and ignoring the plight of the captive civilian population in service of Washington’s strategic ambitions.

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[–] Minnesocialism@hexbear.net 101 points 4 days ago

Current mood:

Nah but seriously a huge win! Congrats NYC!!!

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just saw a random ass tweet that made some interesting points about the Middle East and the ilusive Pivot to Asia

The ‘pivot to Asia’ never materializes because it doesn’t actually make any sense. It’s based on a loose analogy between what the US does in the Middle East and what the US could be doing in Asia that doesn’t hold.

The analogy is essentially:

Taiwan is Israel/China is Iran

America’s Asian allies are the Gulf states

Intellectual property is oil/Island disputes are religious conflict

So you can just move ‘US security provision + financial interests’ from one region to the other. Oil for IP.

This is why the US insists Asia has certain features that it clearly does not have - e.g., that sea lanes are under threat (has to be true to require US naval presence), that China cannot innovate and just steals IP (has to be true for IP to play the financial role of oil), etc.

There’s nothing at all to be gained by anyone in Asia from the US playing a bigger role. The Middle East had very specific needs because it’s full of oil producing states that can’t handle their own defense. It’s the nature of oil that makes the region a place of instability.

There’s no ‘larger role’ the US can play in Asia. There’s no way to trade increased security provision for a greater financial stake. The region is dominated by trade in manufactures, which is much more difficult to disrupt than the oil trade, and China is at the center of it.

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 40 points 3 days ago (4 children)

IMF wild child Argentina seeks waiver on FX reserves misses - and will probably get it - Reuters

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BUENOS AIRES, June 25 (Reuters) - Argentina, the International Monetary Fund's long-term problem child and biggest debtor, once again needs to seek forgiveness: this time for falling short on foreign currency reserve build-up targets linked to a new $20 billion deal.

The South American country is likely to get it, too, analysts and former officials said. Argentina struck its latest deal - its 23rd - with the Washington-based lender in April, needed to help roll over an earlier $44 billion deal and give the government of libertarian Javier Milei financial firepower to undo capital controls.

The front-loaded deal came with economic targets attached to unlock further funds, including on inflation and rebuilding depleted central bank foreign currency reserves, that were deep in the red when Milei took office in late 2023. Milei has tempered inflation with tough austerity and guided the country out of a recession, but accumulating dollars has proven tough, leaving levels short of those demanded by the IMF.

However, former government and IMF officials said that Milei had done enough to gain some leeway, with his cost-cutting having overturned years of deep fiscal deficits, winning over markets and gaining plaudits from IMF leaders.

"I think they will forgive them even if they (the IMF) then ask for more later," Claudio Loser, former IMF director for the Western Hemisphere, told Reuters.

That would likely come in the form of a waiver, approving the first program review despite missed targets on reserves. An IMF team arrived in Argentina on Tuesday for that review.

Daniel Marx, former Argentine finance secretary from 1999 to 2001, told Reuters that the next disbursement - some $2 billion - would require the IMF to give special dispensation.

"Most likely, the disbursement won't be automatic, but it will require a waiver," he said.

"It was thought that the central bank would have intervened by accumulating reserves. This hasn't happened, at least until now."

The Ministry of Economy and presidency did not respond to a request for comment. The central bank declined to comment and said talks with the IMF technical team were just starting. The IMF pointed to a statement about its team arriving in Argentina.

Key to the waiver is Milei's strong record on the fiscal surplus with his tough "deficit zero" drive. Last week the government said it would deepen cost cutting in order to hit a surplus target of 1.6% of GDP.

Minister of Economy Luis Caputo said earlier this month reserves accumulation was no longer as important as before with a freer float for the peso currency and the central bank better financed. He flagged IMF backing for Milei's reforms.

Aldo Abram, director of the Fundación Libertad y Progreso in Buenos Aires, estimated that the country might be $500 million to $1 billion below the agreed reserves target, but it shouldn't block new funds being disbursed.

"That won't cause major problems for the Fund," he said. "I think forgiveness (the waiver) will be approved quickly and the disbursement may take a week or two."

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