this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2025
260 points (99.2% liked)

Technology

38731 readers
292 users here now

This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.


Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.


Rules:

1: All Lemmy rules apply

2: Do not post low effort posts

3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff

4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.

5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)

6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist

7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed

founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
top 29 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Sadly from October 2021, their site seems to be offline

[–] SandySocks@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The project it looks based on is Meshtastic, the nodes are pretty cheap, you can even find them on Amazon if your truly desperate.

https://meshtastic.org/

[–] digger@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's also MeshCore, and now the networks are split between these 2.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well... Shit. Time to check out meshcore!

Edit: Nah, company driven.

I'll keep the fully open GPL 3 meshtastic my preferred

[–] vinnymac@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

If someone is interested in getting involved with meshtastic but doesn’t have soldering or any electronics background you can purchase ready made devices from many vendors.

https://muzi.works/products/refurbished-r1-with-external-antenna

https://lilygo.cc/products/t-deck-plus-meshtastic?variant=45315795845301

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

It's a fun project!

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] lambda@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks dad.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

There are lots of competing LoRa mesh networks right now.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Are you familiar with Briar?

Works over internet, TOR, local wifi, bluetooth, even "sneakernet".

[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No I’m not. Looking foward to reading this

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

I've never used it, but I've heard of "Jami" that is supposed to operate in a similar fashion.

[–] mp3@piefed.ca 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My only complaints with it are that there's no iOS app, which cut down the userbase significantly, and that there's no easy way to migrate / export a profile and and existing contacts between devices.

And I wish I could set a Briar mailbox node (without the encryption key, so that if compromised you can't read anything meaningful) on a VPS to receive messages when my app is offline. Right now the only way to accomplish this is with another Android device.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've found Jami from another comment a few hours ago, but I haven't downloaded it yet. But I think it expects an existing internet/network connection, where Briar seems to be focused on getting messages across through any means available.

[–] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Is that still in development? The desktop client at least looks like it hasn't been updated in quite some time.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

AFAIK, yes. Latest release is from March of this year, and they have commits as of a month ago.

[–] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I’ve fall for it me too and foward it to my friend, cool projet nonetheless sadly it seems to be nowhere to be found 😢

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To be fair, given what lengths the police will go to messing with protesters, would anybody trust some random mesh network?

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Mesh networks can be built on zero trust principles and have everything E2EE. Kind of like Tor.

But the more realistic scenario is the police will just deploy jammers to completely disable all wireless communication.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It could go either way. The benefit of faking an activist mesh network is tracking and surveillance for later retaliation.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's another thing they have to do. They're not all RF/SW engineers so they'd have to adapt to it the same way they'd adapt to anything else. By building networks that aren't corporate controlled, however, activists can engineer them around anonymity instead of serving the police.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, but if Musk and Zuckerberg has taught us anything, there are plenty of engineers who are willing to sell out humanity for fascism. No one is safe, and we should not trust random networks just because it’s “activist controlled”.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

It comes down to how the network is designed, Meshtastic is open source, you can go look at how the encryption works right now. There are issues with Meshtastic from a privacy standpoint but you could somewhat trivially design a derivative that is much more zero trust.

As with all things, layer your defenses. Not using the network that's known to be surveiling you and instead using one that you have some confidence is leaking less info on top of the usual precautions is a solid improvement.

[–] Baaahb 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, well, some would.

[–] jared@mander.xyz 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] anzo@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

This! Is the most resilient. It can run on anything, not just LoRa! So, it can work on underlying infra (assuming there's power, e.g. renewables)