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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There was also a vastly different media landscape when Dr. King made his speeches. The level of surveillance now is so much higher that its trivial to find or create footage of violence if you want it.

There is no level of discipline where the media will portray it as anything but violence. I don't think sanders is enterely wrong here, but I understand how in the year 2025 sander's statement is a bit cringe inducing.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago

He probably was literally murdered by the surveillance state

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

What are your goals with this post?

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Found more details about Bernie's arrest here: https://medium.com/@ShaunKing/you-dont-really-know-who-bernie-sanders-was-in-the-1960s-79628016125f

I know it wasn't the point of this post, but thanks for teaching me about this bit of history! This helped me understand why he emphasized discipline.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Have people understand that being a progressive does not mean blindly following Bernie Sanders.

Because past Bernie stood for what present Bernie admonishes.

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I won't pretend to know much about Bernie's history, but I do have a couple of thoughts with which you may or may not agree.

  1. We should never blindly follow any politician.
  2. Politicians should be expected to change/evolve. It's probably a good idea to consider the delta to understand each politician's trajectory.

Out of curiosity, do you prefer past or present Bernie?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Past Bernie is the guy in the left image of the original Tweet. Who was attacked with the same slander as present Bernie is spewing.

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Alright this got me curious, so I researched the matter further. I do believe you are wrong here.

From what I can gather, Bernie was arrested for being chained together with others to protest the installation of Willis Wagons. This was nonviolent. When the police arrested him, he kicked, screamed, and resisted the entire way.

Source: https://medium.com/@ShaunKing/you-dont-really-know-who-bernie-sanders-was-in-the-1960s-79628016125f

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The protests Bernie was part of were accused of being violent regardless of how Bernie and the majority of people protesting behaved. That’s the point. Hell if he resisted arrest in anyways today they might try to charge him with assaulting a police officer.

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I understand they were accused of being violent. The descriptions I read didn't seem violent though, although they might be inaccurately biased.

I think protesters will always be accused of violence whenever possible. I just don't understand how this makes Bernie's statement inconsistent.

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Arguing with the soldier next to you is definitely how world wars are won.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Compromising with the right on every viewpoint. Surely that is the way to go.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Right winger : "Lets have a debate on who is a person or not"

Centrists: "okay"

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This comment section shows exactly why we should be wary of those who label themselves as progressive vs leftist or socialist/communist.

Y’all clearly aren’t trustworthy. Reformists who see themselves as reasoned revolutionaries. You still reflexively shove that boot in your mouth on command.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

Seriously. At this point the majority of violence being carried out against protesters in order to protect ICE is being done by local law enforcement. State and city level democrats are not resisting Trump. They’re just mad that he doesn’t realize that they’re on the same team.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

would you rather a sitting US senator call for escalation and violence

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago
[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago

in the face of his boss and his boss’s boss doing the same thing but to a much worse degree… yes? americans should be defending themselves from federal agents by any means necessary.

like it or not if the world only had MLKs we would live in a society that practices blood sacrifice or some absurdist shit. you need your Malcom X’s at times like this because the unfortunate reality is that the only power that begets peace in the face of political violence is often more extreme political violence.

sitting and doing performative takes on how we need to remain “nonviolent” or “peaceful” in the face of literal armed government goons coming into our cities against our will is peak pussy shit and you guys are all shameful for going so hard on that take. have some self fucking respect. will you be clamoring for peaceful protest when they’re deporting your family to an unmarked government camp somewhere across the world? no? so why do you think it should be any different for the people it has already happened to?

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